[OFFICIAL] CORNEL WEST FOR PRESIDENT 2024 THREAD

Does anyone need a Tylenol reading the back and forth between Joey B lover and FranchiseBlade? Lol

 

"hez not a gRiFtEr!!!" Its always refreshing to witness the bernie alumni always expose themselves for the grifters they always were.

 

I genuinely enjoyed his response to that question, thanks for sharing

 

With the supporters Indon’t see grifters, but I do see ideologues… which honestly I wish I was more of instead of being such a realist.

A lot of Bernie supporters just don’t really understand or want to understand how our democratic process works. So in this ideologue bubble, you just simplistically look at it like “oh hey… yeah another option sounds great!!”.

It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of the democratic process the framers designed for us. It’s flawed but it’s what we got.

I don’t mind Cornell West jumping in the race but the problem is he knows better to do it as a third party. If he wants to run great… but there’s a primary process for that. Challenge Biden on the Dem ticket instead of openly choosing to be a Ralph Nader who in this day and age on the Green Party ticket actually will be almost fully funded by Vladamir Putin… which makes it much worse than what Nader did knowing that he’ll be funded by the most dangerous and murderous evil dictator we’ve seen since Hitler.

West knows better to not do this as a Green Party candidate. As a Democratic primary challenger Id welcome his thoughts and opinions on the stage to challenge where he could respectfully do so.

 

Very cool response.

 

Maybe you dont remember 2016 very well but bernie sanders campaign chief said at the time that voting for hilary clinton because of the supreme court was overrated and a scare tactic. 4 years later and Trump nominates 1/3 of the court and Roe is stripped away. Bernie cult have always been nothing but disingenuous losers who want to blow up the party. There literally no different than MAGA cult. They've produced nothing but grifters.

Nobody is stopping Cornell from primarying biden. These bernie bros and lefties know they'll get rejected by democratic voters so they'll blow up the party. This is why literally everyone in the party hates bernie sanders and his cult.

 

Oh I know some of them do want to blow up the party, and care more about the Bernie wing having some power over the entire Democratic coalition party having control of the core branches of government when the right is in lock step, and has the electoral advantage they have. It's frustrating and ridiculous.

However I know that Bernie himself has a proven track record of doing what is right in the end even though many of his followers don't see it that way. There is an ideological belief that the American system is broken, and it needs to come down. You also get this non-stop preaching of Medicare for All as if if Biden was just as progressive as Bernie is then poof... like Magic we could all have Medicare for All overnight, and the world would be perfect.

I try to listen to Thom Hartman as much as I can because the guy really does a great job of framing things up, and even though he's closely aligned with Bernie, he understands how DC functions. So it's frustrating to hear his callers call in and recite the Cornell West talking points which sound great until you then have to explain how this is actually going to get done. They don't want to talk about how it gets done. They just want to say what they think is right.... which they aren't wrong but being right doesn't mean sh$t when you have no power to actually do anything about it.

As they say... talk is cheap.

But I don't know that I would go as far as to say Bernie folks are grifters. I don't see a corruption component. Especially with the base of voters who are mostly older seniors, college aged kids, etc. Bernie's base isn't like hedge fund millionaires or anything.

I also take issue with saying they are all just as bad as the MAGA movement. There are similarities in how they see the system as broken, and both like conspiracy theories some times, but the Bernie base isn't the reincarnation of the Confederacy like the MAGA movement is at its heart. It's more of a leftist ideological political base that most countries have right now in the West. Most European countries have the same ideological party but in a parliamentary system they can have this Dem-Socialist type of party and also have a Liberal Democratic party- and a Conservative party. We are unique in that we don't have a parliamentary system so we have to have a coalition of Dem Socialist and Liberal party. Most Dem Socialists here understand that (Bernie, Pramila Jayapal, etc.) but alot of the voters do not.

 

this is what drives me crazy with people. You need the senate to staff *anyone* in the administration Your cabinet secretaries have to be confirmed by the senate. Your ambassadors, under secretary, OMB head, every part of your administration has to be approved by the senate. You can't even spend a dollar without the senate approving the money for you to spend.

This is what drives me effin insane with these people. They just don't understand the civics system. How will Cornell pass Medicare for all when he doesn't control congress? None of it makes any sense at all.



They're going to steal 2-3% of the democratic vote and possibly give the election to trump. This is what they do. They rat **** the country.

The bernie crew have always been about themselves and only themselves

 

Oh I remember Bernie before Bernie in Ralph Nader. We've been fortunate that over the past few election cycles that Bernie has been the standard bearer because he's swallowed his ego where Nader did not. Just imagine how different our world would be had Nader swallowed his pride instead of stroking his ego.

Cornell West also is much more effective as a communicator and more popular than Jill Stein. I don't think he'll have the following that Nader or Bernie had, but it only takes a Jill Stein, and Cornell is much more effective than her IMO.

I think we'll be relying unfortunately on guys like Bill Maher who are close to him to talk off the ledge.

 

It's so funny how west is exposing himself as the grifter like he is. Hilarious how I called it some time ago but some very serious folks stood up for him and his ukraine positions.

Hilarious how the grifters always fool people so easily. Spinning low iq braindead Russian conspiracies is what makes you trendy nowadays.

 

You might want to study up on West before calling him a grifter. I disagree with giving territory to Russia. His position is a bit more nuanced than conspiracy theories and I don't 100% agree with him on Ukraine. It doesn't make him a grifter.

 

Biden literally said at the NATO conference last week that ukraine isn't eligible to join nato because it has issues with its democracy and border issues. He literally rejected ukraine yet west is spinning Russian propoganda that Russia had to invade cuz ukraine was joining nato.

How can one be so stupid seriously . Spewing nonsense opposite of reality is what you call a grifter. Period. West is literally spewing propoganda for putin.

 

You might want to study up on West before calling him a grifter. I disagree with giving territory to Russia. His position is a bit more nuanced than conspiracy theories and I don't 100% agree with him on Ukraine. It doesn't make him a grifter.

I know what Biden said. He said that more than a year after the war started. That wasn't necessarily true at the time of the invasion. Also West didn't say Russia had to invade Ukraine.

I am in favor of supporting Ukraine. I'm not in favor of conceding any territory to Ukraine.

I get it. You're in rabid defense mode. But exaggeration and hyperbole aren't needed here.

 

With all due respect you're a smart person but you have no idea how NATO works. As biden said over the weekend until ukraine settles all border disputes they can not get accepted in NATO. Ukraine has had a border fight since 2014 with Russia. Ukraine WAS NEVER ELIGIBLE to join NATO.

This is what drives me insane with people like West and others. Literally go read the NATO charter and it's very clear. Also EU released a report in 2021 stating Ukraine still had corruption at the highest levels. They were never eligible to join nato.

Never

 

I understand and agree Ukraine wasn't eligible. There were no public statements declaring that. In fact the NATO secretary said that eventually, Georgia and Ukraine would become NATO members. There have been discussions. So it isn't pure fantasy that Russia might be concerned.

That doesn't justify anything Russia has done.

 

Would you say that he’s instead aligned more with the Noam Chomsky circle on the left that so be the Cold War has developed a very sympathetic view of Russia and also been aligned with many of the folks in the RT space?

Amy Goodman is another person on the left that used to work for RT back in the day and just still sort of ideologically has this worldview about NATO, Russia, etc that doesn’t quite comport with the current reality?

I don’t know enough about West to know if he comes from that same inner circle as Chomsky and Goodman but I suspect that’s the case. If that’s the case it’s more true believer than being a grifter. There unfortunately is a small fringe on the left that is at their heart anti American and actively would promote rewriting our constitution into something more akin to a Denmark or Sweden like democratically socialist government.

When you fundamentally think the American experiment is a failure, and evil…. You can justify taking these positions even if you have the critical
thinking skills to know it’s incorrect.

(Just fyi they are NOT an equivalent to MAGA. I don’t think for 2 seconds that this small Green Party fringe would actively turn to violent fascism. However they might get excited about MAGA displaying to Americans how bad our Republic is so that there later can be a socialist movement on the left).

 

Yes. I beleive that is pretty accurate about what I feel regarding West's view on Russia. I think most of all even above and beyond that, he's incredibly interested in peace and thinks that almost anything will be worth achieving some peace.