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[Official] Astros @ Rangers

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Jul 3, 2018.

  1. MrBear1

    MrBear1 Contributing Member

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    The "win" stat for pitchers is garbage anyways, doesn't really tell you much.

    Similar to RBI for example.

    Team stats
     
  2. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    Over ~250 PAs, Fiers looked like a Cy Young contender rocking a 2.36 ERA and 2.81 FIP last year without the benefit of pitching ~ 1 inning/game. A few years back, Mike Fiers even had one 30 PA stretch that he didn't even give up a hit. As such, I think it is easy to conclude that splits for pitchers at 250 PAs and less are probably too small for results based stats.
     
  3. SWTsig

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    F the rangers!
     
  4. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    So you're saying that 7.2 innings should not define a pitcher? :)
     
  5. conquistador#11

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    2 game winning streak. we just keep on rollin'.
     
  6. Screaming Fist

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    Fiers is an illustration of why you should be careful with FIP in relatively small samples. Unless you are working with a sample big enough for HR/FB to stabilize (400 FB), stick with xFIP (sample of at least 70 BIP) or kwFIP (less than 70 BIP).
     
  7. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    I'm saying not to divide up stats into situations, but look at big picture on results-based stats. So say a reliever gave up over a half a season's worth of runs in those 7.2 innings, it is going to take a lot of innings to smooth that number out. Some things like velocity, movement of pitches can tell a lot of information in a small sample size. It doesn't take much to see that when Giles's slider isn't working, he has problems.
     
  8. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    It is hard enough to try to use FIP over ERA in under 600 inning increments.
     
  9. solid

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    Beating the Rangers is such joy!
     
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  10. Houstunna

    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
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    Sounds like Bregs is playing SS, tonight
     
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    F**k it, we'll act like we're still beating the Rangers even if we're beating the White Sox.
     
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  13. seemoreroyals

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    But beating the Rangers is so enjoyable. They put up a good fight and still lose to us and that made it that much better. And I remember watching them and their fans and broadcasters bask in our misery when we had all those 100 plus game losing seasons and dominating them now makes it all the more fun to watch.
     
  14. El_Conquistador

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    Hey Bobo, you got anything else smart to say about Giles? lulz

    OWNED
     
  15. sealclubber1016

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    I mean, every single word he said is still true.
     
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  16. El_Conquistador

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    No, he was acting incredulous as to how I could not have faith in Giles. Well, now it's obvious even to the most ardent Giles jock-riders. My coffee was extra tasty this morning.

    GOOD DAY
     
  17. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Nope...you misread my post. I asked why would you not trust Giles in a SAVE SITUATION. he has been perfect in SAVE SITUATIONS this season and has the highest percentage in the AL since the beginning of 2017.

    In a separate post I have remarked how his splits in non-save vs save is probably a historic bad difference for pitchers with double digit saves.

    And seriously, “bobo”? Wasn’t it you that said resorting to insults means you have lost your argument?
     
  18. jim1961

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    If true, then I have won several :)
     
  19. Buck Turgidson

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    "Did we win?? Reading some comments from the last 4-5 pages I'm not so sure. Anyway, I'm becoming tired of the arguing between posters, and if it continues it will end about as well as Giles night tonight." -- Castor
     
  20. jim1961

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    Good luck with that.
     

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