You are so close to getting it... socialism is a con. and yes the Nazis were socialists. On a national level until they didn't need it. But to say they weren't born of a leftist movement is a lie.
You can have socialist policies work in the framework of a strong democratic government. Many countries have already displayed this. America itself has already displayed this. You're expecting the worst possible outcome for something reveals a bias against it but it's not a strong argument against it, is it? If I say I want to make college affordable and healthcare affordable and raise the minimum wage...how does Hitler or any other dictatorship arise from that naturally? It simply doesn't. This is the same kind of 'slippery slope fallacy' argument that people made with gay marriage. "Well, if gays get married then that means I can marry my duck!"
I'm really not that angry right now. In a good mood actually if you care to know. This would be the classic case of "why say something that someone else has already said but more eloquent". I'm sure with two clicks of the mouse you could find a dozen well written and thought through pieces exploring the ways that Trump has borrowed from the Fascist playbook. I don't really need to spend my time listing everything that Trump has done to explain to you the obvious comparisons to a WW2 fascist like Mussolini or Franco. I don't think he's a murder like Hitler, but I certainly see the comparison to Mussolini. But look... as I said before with Socialists being able to do well within the confines of our constitution... also applies to someone like Trump as a two bit fascist... IF the constitution is withheld which is the key with Trump. Will Congress actually serve as a co-equal branch of government and not allow him to seize the power he wants???... Will the courts???... That's a more important question than is he a fascist, or is she a socialist. That question isn't nearly as interesting, or franking frightening.
The big difference in Trump and Hitler would be that Hitler was a murderer. Their fascist tactics might be the same, but so were the tactics of Mussolini, and alot of two bit dictators over the course of history. I think that should always be clear when we start down this road of Hitler comparisons. Hitler was a stone cold murderer. Trump is not. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez is NOT.
Social programs are not exactly good for the economy in all or even most cases. Let the market decide and it usually sorts it out. Save for emergencies or times when the government absolutely must act. But those are rare. Also I really don't mind a few social programs that are eventually deemed of utmost import like education and health (for citizens of course). I do mind adopting socialism where the government owns the means of production because it interferes with the free market. This is not something that I see as needed and yes there is a good argument for this having negative economic ripple effects. This is why I am a minarchist. Minimal government, maximum freedom. Lean toward keeping government out of things because typically it just doesn't end up so well. Especially socialism.
I don't think you actually know what fascism is... "Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce" Think for yourself. Don't trust a think piece to do it for you.
You clearly have not been keeping up with the news: https://www.oddee.com/item_98774.aspx and also https://www.elitedaily.com/news/world/woman-marrying-tree-best-sex/977768 and also https://metro.co.uk/2017/05/27/woma...er-spending-36-years-in-love-with-it-6665917/ And that's just a few of the links I found
Seems like that would be obvious. He wanted to benefit a certain race. He wanted to get rid of other races. I'll leave it at that. Edited to add: dachuda86 is knocking it out of the park in explaining this stuff, so I'll just defer to him.
But no duck!!!! Also have you heard about the lady that married a ghost pirate? https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/irish-woman-married-300-old-063036418.html?guccounter=1
Haha, yes, you're right -- I could not find one example of anyone marrying a duck. Clearly this is discrimination against ducks, and some government program should be launched to stop this type of "racism." I had not heard about the lady marrying the Johnny Depp character (LOL). Not to derail this thread, but perhaps there is a tie-in: left wingism is a mental disease. And strangely enough, both seem to be on the rise.
I'm pretty sure what he really hated were certain ethnicities, namely Jews and Slavs, rather than (or much more than) different political philosophies and principles.
This is very debatable. FDR viewed himself as "saving capitalism" and he did not see himself as aligned with extreme left wingers such as Socialists and Communists (Father Coughlin, Huey Long, etc.) True, Social Security and other welfare programs were passed under the New Deal, and they are in a sense socialistic (or at least collectivist), since they take from one group and give to another. He also increased taxes, which is also redistributive. This was all before WW2 (I mention this because government became really big during the war, on another level).
Interesting article and analysis. And here's a quote from the article that reflects my feeling about the Dems and 2020: "Sawhill argues that if the goal of Democrats is victory, as opposed to ideological purity, they must focus on general election swing voters who are not die-hard Democrats." But it increasingly looks like they are going for ideological purity, rather than victory. Which is great news.
how does it increasingly look that way, what exactly are you basing that on?I Biden is top 3 in any poll and he is not a media darling. none of the pure candidates seem to be gaining any real traction.
I would like to also point out that the Nazi economy was largely jump started with rearmament which employed people and drove growth. Growth fueled by promissory notes. All of this led to inflation and with a shortage of money what do you do? You sell things. Essentially privitization was convenient to prop up a bad economy and became a revenue source. Hitler sidelined his own finance minister after he tried to explain how money works after years of just asking for things and getting his way. Look up Hjalmar Schacht.
Well, you know we agree with that. I don't think the government should own private businesses or the means of production. I do think that some things are too important to leave to trust businesses with...they put profit margin ahead of people...like Health and Education and transportation and basic needs that people need to get around.
I dunno if these are legal cases. Still, If people want to marry trees I honestly dgaf. I don't care what people are doing in their homes as long as they are not harming other people. The point here is that the slippery slope fallacy is easy to use for anything. I could say "Well, and if we give Trump his wall what stops him from building more walls? Walls around our coasts and walls on our northern border! Do we have money for that?!" It avoids actually arguing the point...which is...does free healthcare and affordable education lead to the next Hitler? My guess is...no. Genocide and racism are not socialists policies.
This was Strasser and not Hitler. That whole quote about hating capitalists was a Strasser quote, who was with Hitler and the Nazi's before they gained power. Hitler didn't like Strasser and while the Nazi party may as well have been socialists when Hitler took over they stopped being and so Nazi Germany wasn't some example of socialism.
Of course FoxNews is running a segment on connecting how the chaos in Venezuela, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and the Native American Elder are somehow a connected thing we should all fear. How people can watch this crap is beyond human comprehension. Ancient Aliens has more connection to reality.
