Obama's approval rating is at its highest point in years

Obama needs to send a thank you letter to Trump and the moron Republicans who support him, the ONLY reason why his approval rating is skyrocketing right now is because of Trump.

Obama has next to nothing that he can claim positive from his time as president that wasn't just following policy from the previous administration and has worked to literally double the national debt without any solid benefits.

 

I have to disagree. I think the positive impact of Bill Clinton, at the height of his political powers on the stump, on the election for Gore far outweighs the continuing war being waged at the time (and since) by the Republican Party on both Bill and his wife. It would have been enough to insure Gore's victory, in my opinion. Of course, had Nadir not succumbed to his towering ego, Gore would have won despite not using Bill. It should never have come to the Supreme Court so that the Republican majority there could "fix" things for George Junior.

 

I am just going to leave this here for FOOLS who call people Morons for liking Obama and telling it like it is...one of the best Presidents of all time.



TRUTH BOMB incoming!

DD

 

A wonderful post, DD. It'll be ignored by the usual rabid loons because it doesn't fit their imaginary view of the "world," but well done, regardless. I'll add that a significant portion of the debt accrued under Obama is his successful effort to pull the country out of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.

 

The problem with most conservative GED economists is that they only use raw numbers and never analyze rate of change or 'first derivative' thus a disengenous conservative pundit on TV can make stupid sound bite claims such as 'Obama has doubled the national debt' and GED right wingers jerking their dick off eat it right up.

 

Yep. Here are the numbers beneath that graph...

Obama added the most dollars to the deficit at $6.494 trillion but it was only a 56% increase. Whereas, George W added $5.849 trillion, for a 101% increase.

Guess which number wingnuts will scream about?

 

the main problem with this is that it is a lie. Even if we exclude the budget that Obama helped put into place his last year as a senator when the democrats controlled congress the debt has nearly doubled in his 8 years....despite him freaking out about Republicans forcing lower deficits on him...that he complained about.

In 2008 the debt was just over 10 trillion dollars, when Obama leaves office it'll be nearly 20 trillion. How is that 35%?

 

^^ like I stated before, GED economists.

 

I mean sure, the most r****ded of posters out there might come up with an excuse for Obama, but doesn't he have to answer for the massive increases in debt he supported?

 

Do you understand what a 'derivative' or rate of change is? Its a very basic calculus concept that you learn after being introduced to limits. It's basically instantaneous slope.

So look at a graph of the national debt, and see for yourself whether the curve under Obama's presidency is concave up or concave down.

Also it would be nice to actually have a nuanced discussion on what percentage of the national debt/deficit is under the control of the executive branch as most spending isnt discretionary and is entitlement spending for what is already promised(social security for example).

 

For some reason this reminds me of the SNL episode right before the '88 election, one of the fake ads had a chart comparing a bunch of presidents' and the then candidates' height. "George Bush, he's taller."

 

lolz. your chart goes to 2011. Obama has increased the debt 116%

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/

Obamacare failed about as hard as it could and exactly as the detractors predicted . Only part that works is Medicaid expansion and that could of been done without ****ing up the entire healthcare industry. Of course that wont stop the bill's supporters form doing mental gymnastics to justify it.

Economy ****ing sucks. labor force participation in the toilet. GDP blows.

****ed up every foreign affairs issue he got involved in . Iran , Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria........ All huge **** ups.

Not only was DD's post moronic and dishonest, but i have no idea what 'success' you are talking about. Our economy is absolute **** right now.

 

This chart is misleading. GHB only had 4 years in a office, and Obama's chart only shows 3 years of his term. Also to note, GWB was handed a budget surplus that he pissed away with tax cuts, a stupid war, and prescription health benefits for seniors. A chart that shows rate of increase would be more useful.

 

Talllanvor... did you read the document you attached? Just curious... seems to do a great job of showing why Obama's approval ratings are tied with Reagan's at 53% and behind only Ike and Clinton.

While debt has grown, unemployment has dropped, long-term unemployment has dropped, home ownership has risen [correction: went down], corporate profits have risen, stock markets have improved, wages are up, the number of uninsured has dropped, clean energy has risen.

And even if you focus on "labor participation"...

 

Stock markets are at all time highs. Unemployment is pretty low. Tallanvor cussing like usual.

Government spending as a function GDP is about what it has been over the past 30 years are so. The debt did increase, but Obama faced the greatest economic downturn since the great depression. FDR increase the federal debt greatly too. We seemed to have done pretty well compared to the rest of the world.

 

labor force participation isn't entirely OBama's fault but it makes the unemployment number a joke. The reason the U6 unemployment is low is because people are leaving the work force, not because they are getting hired. This can be because of the baby boomers retiring or because someone hasnt found work in year cause the economy sucks ass. Its also a sign of a very bad economy.

Also always have to laugh at someone who says 'number of uninsured drop'. o rly? you know its punishable now not to be insured? you know what would be fix the home owner rate? mandate everyone own a home......

 

Genuine questions: what would you have preferred he done? He inherited the Iraq War and ran against it in 2008. The American people voted for exiting Iraq; the fatigue of that war was huge and the public did not have the appetite for a continued full-scale military presence there.

The US wasn't alone in Libya, we bombed Gaddafi's forces along with NATO. I'm going to assume that you believe the collective military decision-making among all the nations in NATO was incorrect? And, as in all of these cases, there was no American appetite for a costly full-scale invasion of another MENA country. So it was either allow Libya to descend into full scale sectarian war at the time or stop Gaddafi and encourage "democracy," which is what your ilk used to justify the invasion of Iraq. Spreading freedom in places that don't want it or that choose freedom we don't agree with.

Speaking of, why do you mention Egypt? The Obama Administration did not protest when the military coup of General el-Sisi deposed to democratically elected leader of Egypt. I'm not going to argue in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood at all, but it was a government elected by the Egyptian people. It's a contradictory pill to swallow if you belief in self-determination (and I would rather see the military in power than Morsi).

And, of course, Syria. The "red line" was stupid and should've never been established because, like all of these other situations, there was no political appetite in America for another Middle East war. Now that the regime, rebels, ISIS and Kurds are entrenched, you can't annihilate one without those three rushing to fill the vacuum.

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Plus, the balance between dealing with Turkey (NATO ally) and keeping Russia's involvement in check makes this the biggest cluster**** on the planet.

I'm curious to know what you think the solution is (because I certainly don't know, but I do trust that our leadership is trying to get this done without starting another full-scale war).

 

Iraq - not leave

Iran - not give them nukes or pay them 400 million dollars and put a bounty on every American.

Libya - leave Gaddafi in power. He is a psycho but a psycho that did what he was told.

Egypt - same as above

Syria - complicated, but there has to be a better outcome then what took place.
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Quoting a conservative op-ed, especially an old op-ed (UE isn't 5.6%, but below 5%) isn't very compelling when the actual numbers are being shown by the very "fact-checker" you yourself just posted. Plus you conveniently ignored this:

 

Gallup isn't conservative.....

The fact checker says those are the numbers, not that they have meaning. Gallup also posts the unemployment numbers and their CEO says they are garbage.