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[NYPO] Bari Weiss resigns from New York Times, slams Twitter as being their ‘ultimate editor’

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    and you're still talking about me
     
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    related:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/15/we-all-live-bubbles-its-time-burst-them/

    We all live in bubbles. It’s time to burst them.

    Opinion by
    Hugh Hewitt
    Contributing columnist
    July 15, 2020 at 4:38 p.m. EDT

    Those of us blessed with freedom to learn are all — every one of us — in a bubble of our own making. It can be broad and diverse, created from all kinds of information sources. But there is still a bubble.

    Which is why opinion pages and books matter so much. They serve to expand the bubble. Columns can nudge us toward new ideas and broader perspectives, but it is a book that punches out the bubble and really expands the mind.

    The resignation this week of columnist Bari Weiss from the Opinion section of the New York Times came in the form of a scalding letter to the Times’s publisher that will burn only those who allow it inside their bubbles. What she wrote does not devalue the work of Nicholas Kristof or Bret Stephens or other writers who remain on those pages. But, combined with the absurd hysteria surrounding the op-ed last month by Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), the paper’s crisis — and its shrinking bubble — is fully revealed. The limited worldview that Weiss described inside the newspaper will asphyxiate everyone left behind and poison those for whom it is their only source of intellectual nourishment.

    I see it as relentless as the bubble that always — always — captured actor Patrick McGoohan in the late ‘60s British TV show “The Prisoner.” He could never escape it. Its real-world counterpart is the confirmation bias consuming the New York Times’ Opinion pages.

    The closing of the American left’s mind has advanced far beyond the condition Allan Bloom described in “The Closing of the American Mind,” his 1987 book about the rise of moral relativism on U.S. colleges and universities. That is true on the right as well. Intellectual curiosity about worlds, and worldviews, other than our own is at a low ebb.

    So seek out the bubble-breakers. Are you a President Trump supporter who wants to run into an argument you cannot dismiss or treat with reflexive contempt? Pick up Eddie Glaude Jr.’s new book, “Begin Again: James Baldwin’s America and Its Urgent Lessons for Our Own.”

    My enthusiasm for Glaude’s book came through in my interview with him this week, and it is not because we agree about Trump — we don’t — but because his work obliged me to respond. It expanded my bubble. It helps, of course, that Glaude is an elegant writer and superb scholar, but the power of the book is in its ability to teach a willing reader about the experience of black America in the years since Baldwin began writing in the late 1940s. It’s stunning to anyone who has lived overwhelmingly in an Anglo world.

    The left needs to make its journeys as well. I read a lot about my own religious faith, Christianity, and especially Roman Catholicism. One of Catholicism’s greatest explainers today is George Weigel. His new book, “The Next Pope: The Office of Peter and a Church in Mission,” may have the same impact on a reader who knows nothing of Catholicism as Glaude’s book did on me.

    Point being: This column on this page just pointed you to two very different, very deep wells from which a serious person should want to drink. If the online sources you are reading or the cable news channels you are watching don’t surprise or at least nudge you, they are failing you.

    Bubbles are not bad. They often suggest deep learning and lifelong commitment. But not when the subject matter is politics. As Charles Krauthammer wrote, “Politics . . . is sovereign.” He was correct. And politics cannot be conducted with blinkers firmly affixed.


     
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    "The Illiberal Liberal Media":

    https://www.city-journal.org/bari-weiss-new-york-times

    The Illiberal Liberal Media
    As Bari Weiss’s departure confirms, the New York Times has narrowed its spectrum of allowable opinion.
    Judith Miller
    July 14, 2020

    What New York Times contributing editor and writer Bari Weiss recently called the “civil war” within the Times has just claimed another victim: Bari Weiss.

    In a scathing open letter to publisher A. G. Sulzberger that instantly went viral on Twitter and other social media, Weiss asserted that she was resigning to protest the paper’s failure to defend her against internal and external bullying; senior editors’ abandonment of the paper’s ostensible commitment to publishing news and opinion that stray from an ideological orthodoxy; and the capitulation of many Times reporters and senior editors to the prevailing intolerance of far-Left mobs on Twitter, which she called the paper’s “ultimate editor.”

    Weiss was apparently stripped of her role as editor, and not immediately offered another position; the implication that she was no longer welcome was clear. “The paper of record is, more and more, the record of those living in a distant galaxy, one whose concerns are profoundly removed from the lives of most people,” she wrote. “Nowadays, standing up for principle at the paper does not win plaudits. It puts a target on your back.”

    Weiss did not respond to a request for comment. But friends and supporters said Tuesday that her decision was prompted in part by events surrounding the forced resignation last month of opinion editor James Bennet, to whom she reported during her three years at the Times. Bennet left the paper, and his deputy James Dao was demoted, after Times staffers revolted against their decision to publish an op-ed by Senator Tom Cotton arguing for deploying the military into U.S. cities to quell riots, if local law enforcement was unable to restore order. Many staffers protested the paper’s decision to give Cotton the powerful platform of the Times’s opinion page.

    Some reporters argued that the conservative senator’s claims were contradicted by the paper’s own coverage, and that publishing the essay had endangered blacks, including minority reporters at the paper. Other Times staffers criticized Weiss’s characterization of the debate over Bennet’s publication of the Cotton op-ed as a “civil war” inside the Times between “the (mostly young) wokes” and “(mostly 40+) liberals,” reflecting a broader culture war throughout the country. Several staffers attacked her for having betrayed the paper by publicly describing its internal feuds.

    In the aftermath of the Cotton episode, Weiss and many others quietly opposed the paper’s new “red flag” system, which effectively enables even junior editors to “stop or delay the publication of an article containing a controversial view or position,” as one senior editor characterized it.

    Weiss has been a lightning rod ever since arriving from the Wall Street Journal, along with her friend, former colleague, and fellow columnist Bret Stephens, who declined to comment today on her resignation. Soon after joining the Times, she wrote a piece about a figure skater of Asian-American descent who was the first American woman to land a triple axel at the Olympics. She was attacked on Twitter after posting a story on the achievement, tweeting the line from the Hamilton musical “Immigrants get the job done”—but the skater was not an immigrant herself, merely the child of immigrants. Twitter exploded, accusing Weiss of “othering” an Asian-American woman.

    At the Times, Weiss described herself as a centrist liberal concerned that far-Left critiques stifled free speech. She frequently wrote about anti-Semitism and the Women’s March and warned of the dangers of overly zealous proponents of #MeToo culture in a controversial column about comic Aziz Ansari, which inspired a skit on Saturday Night Live. One friend said that many of Weiss’s Times colleagues resented her because they envied her success. “She was a mid-level editor who made a splash and whose essays became the basis of Saturday Night Live skits,” the friend and former colleague said, asking not to be named.

    In her letter, Weiss wrote that she had joined the paper to help publish “voices that would not otherwise appear in the paper of record, such as first-time writers, centrists, conservatives and others who would not naturally think of the Times as their home.” She had been hired, she wrote, after the paper failed to anticipate Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential election victory because it “didn’t have a firm grasp of the country it covers.” But after three years at the paper, she wrote in her open letter, Weiss had concluded, “with sadness,” that she could no longer perform this mission at the nation’s ostensible paper of record, given the bullying that she had experienced within the newsroom and the almost daily attacks on her, often from Times colleagues, on social media. She deplored the paper’s unwillingness to defend her or act to stop the online intimidation. “They have called me a Nazi and a racist; I have learned to brush off comments about how I’m ‘writing about the Jews again,’” she wrote.

    Her criticism of Sulzberger rang true to several Times veterans, who note that he has been accused before of yielding to disgruntled liberal staff members. A publisher said to have intervened often in the paper’s news decisions, Sulzberger initially defended James Bennet and the decision to publish the Cotton op-ed, for instance. But faced with a staff revolt, he criticized the essay and the paper’s publication of it, saying that the editorial process had been too “rushed” and that the essay “did not meet our standards.”

    Weiss’s departure was quickly hailed by her many critics within and outside of the paper on social media, among them Glenn Greenwald, who has called her a “hypocrite” for her alleged efforts to suppress Arab professors while in college, and for her defense of Israel and some of its controversial policies as a newspaper writer. But her stinging letter rang true to many others, among them former presidential aspirant Andrew Yang and talk-show host Bill Maher. “As a longtime reader who has in recent years read the paper with increasing dismay over just the reasons outlined here, I hope this letter finds receptive ears at the paper. But for the reasons outlined here, I doubt it,” Maher wrote on Twitter.

    Her resignation was also lamented by such leading right-of-center thinkers as Glenn Loury. “What a shame—for the country, and on the Times,” wrote Loury, an economics professor at Brown University, in an email. Calling Weiss “courageous,” he added that while the climate she described at the paper was “no surprise,” that it had “driven her to this point is, indeed, shocking.” He also noted that Weiss was one of the few Times writers to sign the controversial “Harpers letter,” which he speculated might have been “the last straw” for the paper.

    That letter, signed by over 150 academics, writers, and other intellectuals and artists, decried the “rising illiberalism” resulting not only from President Trump and his followers’ provocations, but also from what signatories called the growing “dogma and coercion” of those who oppose Trump. The rise of online mobs to suppress controversial views with which they disagree, said the letter, has become “a potent and possibly destructive force.” The signers deplored what they described as American liberals’ growing “intolerance of opposing views, a vogue for public shaming and ostracism, and the tendency to dissolve complex policy issues in a blinding moral certainty.”

    Only one prominent Times reporter was quick to leap to Weiss’s defense. “It’s one thing that many of our readers and staff disagree with @bariweiss’ views—fine,” tweeted Rukmini Callimachi, an award-winning foreign correspondent and reporter. “But the fact that she has been openly bullied, not just on social media, but in internal slack channels is not okay.”

    In a statement, acting editorial page editor Kathleen Kingbury said that the paper appreciated “the many contributions that Bari made to Times Opinion.” A Times spokesperson said that Sulzberger was not planning to issue a public response to Weiss’s letter. But given the evidently censorious climate at the paper of record these days, silence should not surprise us.

    Judith Miller is a City Journal contributing editor and author of The Story: A Reporter’s Journey and Germs, Biological Weapons and America’s Secret War.

     
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    NYT is a joke now. An editor resigned for publishing a piece from a U.S. senator. A senator. Senators actually represent a majority of Americans' votes somewhere. . . .

    NYT is the newspaper of CIA-FBI-loving-warmongering "liberals." These "liberals" seem not to understand that Communism is liberal. You know how Commies have sucky newspapers? That's because the newspapers are required to be progressive and "helpful" and not to print upsetting things.

    Look up the Chinese Cultural Revolution if you want to see what happens when cancel culture really gets rolling.

    (If it helps your mental processing, I'm not conservative. I'm a real liberal, not an FBI-loving fake "liberal" reader of the NYT.)
     
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    Again, there hasn't been any evidence of her being bullied on Twitter.

    So far all there has been is an accusation from her and supporting pieces from other conservative writers. But where are the examples of her being bullied on Twitter by her collegues?

    Surely she wouldn't resign because of the "liberal mob" on Twitter. That can't be the NY Times fault which has no control over other people on Twitter.
     
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    lol. Sweet Lou digging in for the long haul . . .

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    This thread isn't about me.
     
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    Indeed: it is about public pressure on the NYT and the NYT caving to it. Please refer to Senator Cotton.
    1. Piece published
    2. Public b****es
    3. Editor quits
     
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    What does that have to do with this woman resigning because her coworkers don't like her and people on Twitter are mean?
     
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    How do you define bullying in this context?

    Is labeling her a bigot bullying if the person making the claim genuinely believes she is a bigot and has support for it?

    Is labeling her a hypocrite bullying when she is indeed a hypocrite?

    In fairness I am not in the meetings, I do not know what was said...... but what has been reported has been mostly her being challenged on twitter.... which I do not know if I consider that bullying, especially when her job is offering opinions.

    I am not saying that there isn't more to the story, there very well may be...... there is strong absolutism and conformity on both sides of the political spectrum in the USA right now. Moderates have been forced to take a side or be destroyed by both sides. Reminds me of prison gangs...... join the Brotherhood or the B.G. Family and the Brotherhood will get you.
     
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    @Os Trigonum

    Good article you should read that points out the flaws in your (and hers) narrative you're telling here:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/158535/self-cancelation-bari-weiss

    The Self-Cancelation of Bari Weiss
    Like much of her writing, the former New York Times editor's resignation letter is long on accusation and thin on evidence.

    Weiss wants to frame her resignation as a consequence of this supposed hostile takeover—that she’s a free thinker cast out by an intolerant, illiberal regime. But her letter, while long on invective (and just plain long), is short on evidence, and what she’s done instead amounts to auto-cancellation: quitting, then blaming her peers for driving her out. It’s a rhetorical mode that many of her fellow travelers in the “Intellectual Dark Web” are familiar with.

    At an all-staff meeting following the Times’s publication of the Cotton op-ed in June, Weiss tweeted that a “civil war” was raging inside the paper: on one side, the paper’s besieged over-40 staffers, who believe in free inquiry and free speech; on the other, under-40 staffers who believe in “safetyism,” a creed “in which the right of people to feel emotionally and psychologically safe trumps what were previously considered core liberal values, like free speech.” It was a bold accusation and a self-serving one. For most of her career, Weiss has warned about the politically correct masses streaming out of college campuses every year. Now those masses had breached the walls of the most important journalistic organization in the country.

    But there was one problem: A large number of Times staffers tweeted back that Weiss was mischaracterizing both the meeting they were attending and their workplace. There was no “civil war,” nor a generational conflict. What was happening was, instead, was very normal, even banal: “an editorial conversation.” But Weiss’s resignation letter triples down on her narrative. She appears to reference pushback against her “civil war” characterization when she laments being publicly called a “liar” by other Times employees. That is one of many allegations against her coworkers. She says she was called a “Nazi” and a “racist,” that people were bullied for associating with her, and that some posted “ax emojis” next to her name on Slack. “There are terms for all of this: unlawful discrimination, hostile work environment, and constructive discharge. I’m no legal expert. But I know that this is wrong,” Weiss continues.


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    Weiss is convinced she was targeted for her “centrist” beliefs, but a great deal of the criticism she has received has been about specific flaws with her writing. She has been critiqued for her uncritical glamorizing of right-wing YouTube celebrities, for citing a fake Twitter account as evidence of the illiberalism on college campuses, and for her hypocrisy on the subject. (As an undergraduate at Columbia, Weiss targeted Muslim professors, claiming that they were anti-Semitic. Shortly after Weiss was hired by the Times, The Intercept’s Glenn Greenwald wrote: “It’s truly amazing: Weiss now postures as some sort of champion of free thought on college campuses. Yet her whole career was literally built on ugly campaigns to attack, stigmatize, and punish Arab professors who criticize Israel.”)

    Far from displaying a commitment to free inquiry or open-mindedness, much of Weiss’s work displays a knack for taking thin, anecdotal evidence and framing it in grandiose culture-war terms. Mistakes are an inevitable part of opinion journalism, but Weiss has routinely turned any criticism of her work into proof that her critics are illiberal and out to silence her. (Appearing on Bill Maher in the wake of making a series of errors, Weiss suggested that she was being targeted by the “mob” for her beliefs. After incorrectly calling an Asian-American figure skater an “immigrant” on Twitter, Weiss said she was using “poetic license” and lashed out at her critics.) You see this tendency in her claims of a “civil war” at the Times and again in the letter itself, in which little distinction is made between social media abuse and criticisms of her work. Weiss’s critics never have a valid point; they’re only trying to silence her.

     
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    I can't stand people like this writer.... I have no idea if she actually believes her positions or just trying to zig while everyone zags. But take responsibility for your views.

    I feel like this is a stunt to create a new opportunities for herself.
     
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    He coworkers are in the news business, not the feelings business.
    Does it really matter what people at the NYT "like" and how they feel?
    It shouldn't.
     
  16. Os Trigonum

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    good article. "Permission to play the 'what-about card'?"

    I'll assume, "permission granted."

    you know what OTHER story was long on accusation and thin on evidence?

    Kavanaugh and Sweet Lou.jpeg
     
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    Yawn. Sounds like youre just another conservative to me.

    Tom Cotton is a far right kook. I think far right kooks who promote dishonesty deserve to be heard and shouldn't be removed from an editorial. But I also think a disclaimer should be slapped on the piece describing Cotton's assault on truth.

    It worries me that we treat all opinions equally. Why should we?
     
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    The Joe Biden sexual accusser? At least the Kavenough accuser testified under oath.
     
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    You didn't quote the whole article. You started the quote right after THIS:

    Which links to this:
    Sounds like a Communist "struggle session" over that Cotton piece, complete with self-criticism and shame.
     
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    LOL. As a liberal, you'd know right?
     
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