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Nuclear North Korea - missile capable of hitting Wa

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Jan 19, 2017.

  1. Ottomaton

    Ottomaton Contributing Member
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    There are morphological differences between North Koreans and South Koreans as a result of the starvation diet that the North Korean regime feeds the North Korean people. They are actually so starved that they grow to be 1-3 inches shorter as adults in DPRK.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17774210

     
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  2. da_juice

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    Missile shields on the border always rustle some Jimmie, but neither country wants to deal with the fallout of a war with the DPRK so they're complaining is all for show.

    The Kim regime is showing signs of interall instability and is probably trying to drum up anti-American, anti-South Korean sentiment to keep the regime in power. Pray your asses off we don't go to war with the North. It be a humanitarian disaster and a lot of civilians on both sides (and a lot of American troops) are going to get killed. The NK military has been studying the tactics the Taliban and Iraqi insurgents used against the American army. So there will be IEDS, kids loaded up with bombs once we cross the border. Not to mention artillery shells ramming Seoul. Our best case scenario is a relatively bloodless coup with some of the more reform oriented military elements taking over; although they might not be able to control the country given the Kim family's God like status in regime ideology.
     
  3. pirc1

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    That's why Kim's brother was killed, he would have been a good puppet head in the North.
     
  4. Amiga

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    North Korea Is Practicing for Nuclear War

    What is disturbing about the situation, though, is how the war plans of North Korea, South Korea, and the United States might interact. North Korea’s military exercises leave little doubt that Pyongyang plans to use large numbers of nuclear weapons against U.S. forces throughout Japan and South Korea to blunt an invasion. In fact, the word that official North Korean statements use is “repel.” North Korean defectors have claimed that the country’s leaders hope that by inflicting mass casualties and destruction in the early days of a conflict, they can force the United States and South Korea to recoil from their invasion. While U.S. officials usually bluster that Kim would be suicidal to order the large-scale use of nuclear weapons, it’s obvious that a conventional defense didn’t work for Saddam Hussein or Muammar al-Qaddafi when they faced an onslaught of U.S. military power. That was suicide. Of course, that’s where those North Korean ICBMs come in: to keep Trump from doing anything regrettable after Kim Jong Un obliterates Seoul and Tokyo.

    Then there is this: Kim’s strategy depends on using nuclear weapons early — before the United States can kill him or those special forces on display in Foal Eagle can find his missile units. He has to go first, if he is to go at all.

    But going first is also the U.S. strategy. That means, in a crisis, the pressure will be to escalate. Whatever restraint Kim or Trump might show — and let’s be honest, our expectations here are not high — each will face enormous pressure to start the attack lest his opponent beat him to the punch. Then there is South Korea, which has its own pre-emption plan, separate from OPLAN 5015 and using South Korean ballistic and cruise missiles. Pyongyang, Washington, and Seoul all have plans to go first. Two of them are going to be wrong about that.

    I understand why the public is fixated on the possibility of a North Korean ICBM. A nuclear-armed ICBM is North Korea’s ultimate goal and would be its final deterrent. It would be the last card that Kim would play. But it is equally, if not more, important to think through how such a war might start. It is important to understand whether the military forces and plans both sides are pursuing make war less likely or more. The launch on Monday might not have been an ICBM, but — in light of Foal Eagle — it was a warning all the same. Not of how a war on the Korean peninsula might end, but of how one might begin.
     
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    ^^^ ok that was funny...
     
  7. Deckard

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    North Korea is arguably the biggest problem we face, right up there with worrying that Mr. Trump will want to start a war in order to improve his approval ratings. Down to 35% today, according to Gallup. That's historically low for a new president at this point in their career.
     
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  9. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Back in Jan



    Now that it happened, let's continue to rub crazy




    Sorry, can't help it



     
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    Not really surprised. To ensure his survival, Kim Jong Un have immense incentive to develop ICBMs. Not sure if there's anything that anyone can do to stop them. Our hands are tied because of their ability to devastate Seoul, and the Chinese hands are tied because the North Korean know the Chinese are terrified of the prospect of unsecured nukes right next door and millions of desperate & armed refugees flooding across the border Syria style.
     
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    Wow the incompetence of Trump is scary. Meanwhile all his supporters here can do is "blame Obama"
     
  12. No Worries

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    This makes no sense.

    BTW the USA problem with dealing with North Korea unilaterally is China.
     
  13. KingCheetah

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    I'm not worried.
     
  14. No Worries

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    ... since you do not live in Washington state?
     
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    Everyone on this site keeps complaining about the Warriors making the NBA boring. Perhaps a nuclear winter will spice everyone's life up a bit.
     
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    Effing Twitter Yapper better do something about the Crazy Fat Kid before he has an ICBM that can hit Cali.
     
  17. Cohete Rojo

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    Wow. No one has bothered to post this?

     
  18. NewRoxFan

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    Whew... the world now feels safe that only Japan, Russia, Canada, and Alaska are in danger at this point. Hate to think the United States was at risk. btw, I wonder if Palin will be see the missiles as they fly over mother country Russia heading her way...
     
  19. Amiga

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    It's a dangerous milestone. For the past few years, many on the west said, nope, NK can't do it. Now they have. And now, some may say yea, but it's not accurate, we aren't sure if it can hold together, and it only has this limited distance. Some people will remain in denial and don't think through how thing will progress. To put in perspective, experts know that NK can, but didn't expect it this soon. They are way ahead of schedule.
     
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    My own personal thoughts, but at this point, I'm not worried about Kim launching any nuclear attack on the U.S. No benefit to it, in fact, the opposite, in that it would start a war that ends with the destruction of Kim's government (if not the entire country). Plus, we keep hearing about N.K. developing missiles that have the RANGE to reach the U.S. No mention of accuracy, reliability, payload capability, etc. So, is Kim going to launch a weapon at the U.S. in which he's not even sure where it will hit, and whether it would even work when it got there, knowing that doing so would result in his annihilation? I don't see it. N.K. is all about HAVING nuclear weapons. Not much benefit in using them...it is the threat of doing so that provides the benefit, not that actuality of using them. Simply having them changes the power structure dramatically, and reduces the options against N.K. So, I don't think it has anything at all to do with how a war might begin. They are warning what would happen if such a war did begin against them. They are a deterrent to an attack on them, not a first strike capability. Well, they are a deterrent to more than an attack...they are a deterrent to any drastic measure against N.K. Which is why having them changes the power structure so dramatically. The world can't take actions that might put Kim in a position where he feels he's going down anyway, so why not launch? Which works against any policy of regime change there.

    Also, their ability to hit Japan is a far greater concern than their ability to hit somewhere in the wilderness in Alaska. Which is why things are ratcheting up now. Japan is rumbling about having a deterrent nuclear capability of their own, and China wants no part of a nuclear Japan. This is why China has finally started to get on board with reigning in N.K.--the don't like the steps that are now being considered given where N.K. is at now, and where they are headed.
     
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