[#NoCollusion] Should Trump go after the media and Democrats?

From my understanding the only reason Trump's campaign was investigated is because he won.

The Russians don't like Mrs Clinton and that is probably why they worked against her

 

Well duh, hence why your statement was inaccurate.

Um no, it unveiled the detail in which a foreign power attacked us. This is highly valuable information, so we can protect ourselves from future attacks. Not sure what a process crime is.

Not really, I don't really follow Democrats. I wanted to know why Trump was bending over on sanctions for Russia and if it had anything to do how Trump was getting his cash flow for the past 20 years.

This just appears to be a case of you wanting something to be true, but its just not.

 

I don't think that was the most important part of that post (which was, btw, that Trump looked very guilty at the outset, which justifies starting an investigation), but the implication of "by hook or by crook" is that he dodged an indictment in some fashion anywhere on an ethical spectrum, from totally ethical (he did nothing wrong and the investigation bore that out) to the more shady (he managed to obstruct enough that sufficient evidence couldn't be found). I'm not asserting anything in particular here except that launching the investigation in the first place still looks to me like a completely reasonable and ethical thing to do.

As for the Russia hoax story- that's an odd bit of shorthand. Because we do know that Russia tried to alter the outcome of the election, and that it hacked and released emails to hurt Clinton's candidacy and tried to get Trump elected. And we know that the Trump campaign had numerous contacts with agents of Russia and even Russian participants in the hack. And that they lied about all of these. That part isn't a hoax. The only alleged hoax part is that Trump's campaign actually conspired -- that they made some plan with these Russians to do these things. So this isn't a double-down because I've had to change my idea of what is likeliest to have happened. I still accept Mueller's findings as far as they go. If he's right about that, the implication is that the 'useful idiot' theory was the right one. That Trump was the right sort of candidate for Russia's purposes and they could operate on their side without ever formally recruiting Trump into their plans. So no collusion, but still not a great look.

 

Those questioning the "appearance" of guilt...

• why were their 100+ individual meetings between trump people and russians?
• why did they lie about those meetings?
• why didn't they report the meetings to the FBI? Especially the numerous outreaches from russia to the trump campaign to influence the election?
• And the meeting to hand over internal polling data between trump (former?) campaign chairman paul manafort and russian contacts? Was he acting on his own? If so, how did he get the internal polling data?

 

I think there needs to be a thorough cleaning of the FBI. Not only are their methods being exposed, but there bias' and poor judgement now requires change. Not only did Trump get pulled into this mess for two years based on FBI incompetence, but even Hillary Clinton had to deal with a very strange public statement right before the election.

I think both sides and all Americans should be concerned when federal employees and bureaucrats have such power of the sway of our elected officials.

 

I think they should simply eliminate the FBI. DOJ too. Let trump install new law enforcement arm led by erik prince Saves money by outsourcing and privatizing and you can be certain they will no longer investigate trump, his campaign and his administration. And he can call it something catchy like Department of Trump Justice.

 

Aw, come lindsey, that wouldn't be any fun...



Of course, at the same time...

 

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FBI began investigating Trump's campaign before the election.

To be precise, FBI investigated the Russian election interference in the 2016 election, which pulled in the Trump campaign due to the actions of the Trump campaign.

 

The DoJ cleared Trump, but they also cleared Hillary. If the Senate wants to investigate Hillary for 42nd time, they should also want to investigate Trump for the 2nd time, correct?

 

Trump needs to round up the media and charge them with treason. Throw them all in jail.

 

This is the strongest that Donald Trump has ever been.

His chances of re-election are higher than they ever have been.

How he handles himself the next 6-8 months is going to likely decide if he is a one or two term President.

If he gets two terms, he will likely be able to shape the Judiciary for decades, long after his fat bloated body is buried in the cold ground.

 

100+ meetings? Not quite

 

The collusion investigation began after the election

 

my statement was accurate and not an opinion. The dossier is a lie and it is what the investigation was based off of.. your statement that 'Trump appeared guilty is not a lie' is an opinion.

explain to me how Russia attacked us. with facebook posts?

Trump issued lots of new sanctions on Russia.

which part? hillary did fund the dossier.

 

So glad this crap investigation is finished...just got to move on to more BSC stuff that lay ahead of the Trump administration.

 

How many are acceptable to you? Do you prefer the word contacts? Just the ones we know about:

Who else was involved?

There were a number of other electronic or personal contacts between people in the 2016 Trump campaign and Russians.

Another junior foreign policy adviser, Carter Page, traveled to Moscow and met with Russian officials. U.S. officials considered him "an agent of a foreign power"and collected his emails and phone records.

Page wasn't charged in the course of the Mueller investigation and says he has done nothing wrong. The 2016 Trump campaign distanced itself from him and said he was no longer on its team at the time of his travel to Moscow.

Some supporters of President Trump have since said they consider Page to be a victim of overreach or a conspiracy by federal law enforcement.

A senior adviser, then Sen. Jeff Sessions, met with Russia's then ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak.

Other people in the Trump orbit had different connections to Moscow. Trump's sometime campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and vice chairman, Rick Gates, had spent years in the employ of a Ukrainian politician, Viktor Yanukovych, who was a loyal ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Yanukovych lives in Russia now, after being forced from power.

Manafort continued to correspond with at least one person with ties to Russia's intelligence agencies even after he was charged with conspiracy, money laundering and other alleged crimes.

Earlier, Manafort also allegedly discussed 2016 polling data with his associate, a Russian named Konstantin Kilimnik, according to court documents. Prosecutors have connected Kilimnik with Russia's military intelligence agency, the GRU.

Manafort has been sentenced to about 7 1/2 years in prison following two federal cases, one in Virginia and one in Washington, D.C. The cases were connected to his political work for powerful clients in Eastern Europe but didn't involve allegations as to whether he conspired with the Russians who interfered in the 2016 election.

Kilimnik was indicted on federal conspiracy, obstruction and other charges in Washington, D.C.

Gates pleaded guilty to charges including conspiracy in early 2018 and has not yet been sentenced; he has been cooperating with prosecutors.

Other contacts of note took place:

— In May 2016, Republican fundraiser Paul Erickson emailed contacts on Trump's campaign offering to set up a back channel with the Russian government through the National Rifle Association. His girlfriend, a Russian woman named Maria Butina, has pleaded guilty to conspiring to serve as a Russian agent within the United States. Erickson is facing criminal charges of his own that do not directly relate to the Russia imbroglio. He has pleaded not guilty.

— In June 2016, Donald Trump Jr. received, through a series of intermediaries, what was described as an offer of support from the Russian government. He agreed to host a delegation of Russians at Trump Tower to hear their pitch. Manafort and Trump Jr.'s brother-in-law, Jared Kushner, also attended. The contents of the meeting are disputed. The president has denied authorizing the conference beforehand or being aware at the time that the meeting happened, but people who worked for him have said they believe Trump was aware of it. Separate and apart from any allegations of colluding with the Russian election interference, it is illegal for American political campaigns to accept anything of value from foreigners.

— Trump Jr. communicated directly with WikiLeaks, which Russia's intelligence agencies used to release the emails stolen via cyberattacks against American political targets.

— Republican political consultant Roger Stone has been charged with lying to Congress about his indirect communications with WikiLeaks. Prosecutors say he didn't tell the truth about how he and associates served as intermediaries between Trump's campaign and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in 2016. Stone has pleaded not guilty.

— Kushner and Trump's national security adviser, Michael Flynn, met with Kislyak on Dec. 1, 2016, in New York. Then Kushner met with the head of a state-controlled Russian bank in New York on Dec. 13. Kushner says that the meetings were relatively brief, uneventful contacts that had nothing to do with the active measures campaign and that he did nothing wrong.

— Flynn talked with Kislyak starting on Dec. 28, 2016, about punitive measures that the outgoing Obama administration was imposing against Russia in retaliation for its interference campaign. Flynn communicated the wishes of the Trump transition team that Russia not respond with punitive measures of its own and escalate the situation. He called on Russia's government to wait until Trump was in office. Putin agreed, and Trump praised him for his restraint.

— Flynn has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his conversations during this period and cooperated with the Russia investigation. He could be sentenced in the summer of 2019.

None of these contacts proves that Trump or anyone in his 2016 campaign played an active role in the Russian interference campaign. Everyone involved insists they've done nothing wrong.

And Trump campaigned in 2016 in part on the need to improve U.S. relations with Russia, but the relationship between the two powers remains officially chilly. They've closed diplomatic missions in each other's territory and have expelled the other's diplomats.

Trump has, however, continued to govern with the stated goal of forming a better relationship with Moscow and reportedly sometimes conceals details of his conversations with Putin from his own top aides.

https://news.wjct.org/post/what-you-need-know-about-russia-investigations-alleged-collusion-0

 

Meet paul singer, the republican donor (and rubio-backer) that engaged Fusion GPS to investgate trump...

PAUL SINGER: WHO IS THE BILLIONAIRE REPUBLICAN DONOR AT THE CENTER OF THE TRUMP-RUSSIA DOSSIER STORM?
https://www.newsweek.com/who-peter-...r-accused-funding-trump-russia-dossier-695930

 

If Trump is lying about collusion why would he be open about wanting a better relationship with Russia?

 

Lol. Trey Gowdy the Benghazi Crusader? How many indictments were handed out compared to Mueller’s?

That’s what I thought.