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Nick Wright: We lie about Michael Jordan

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by hakeem94, Apr 6, 2018.

  1. rockets13champs

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    Lebron > Jordan no discussion
     
  2. SS0101

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    His nonstop traveling more than makes up for that
     
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    Seriously? Can't believe there are so many people thinking Lebron > Jordan.
    • Jordan has the higher increase of playoff performance to regular season performance and one of the highest. Lebron's is below average when to comes to NBA players.
    • Jordan has insane crunch time perfomance - FG% 62% at his peak! Jordan is a competitive beast that takes over when it matters. Lebron's performance, especially before the last two years has been pretty average. Kobe has awful crunch time stats btw.
    • Lebron has never matched Jordan's effort. Anyone who watched Jordan knows he was tireless and would have sequences which would tire the average NBA player out. Jordan career OREB average is more than Lebron's, who is a supposed physical beast.
    • Jordan truly made his teammates better. This is subjective? Fine, throw it out. But anyone who watched him knew he knew how to light a fire whenever his teammates weren't performing.
    Lebron is more physically gifted and his last two years or so have been phenomenal. But homers coming out saying Lebron is in the discussion for GOAT vs. Jordan are either homers or too young to remember.
     
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    Huh? LeBron has won titles (plural) while being relied on to be his teams best scorer, rebounder, passer and defender. How do you figure he never matched Jordan's effort? No other player has won when asked to do all that.
     
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    in 10 years the order will go:

    dream >>>> beard > lerbon > jordan >>>> kobe >>> jerry lin
     
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    The NBA got very stagnant. Jordan evolved the NBA & made it massively popular again. Started trend after trend/such as longer shorts ect.
     
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    Probably but those are even less basketball-related
     
  9. Space Ghost

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    Misleading graph. Jordan started after 3 years in college. LeBron came out in high school.

    By the time LeBrons career ends, he will have 5+ years in the NBA.

    LeBron is the better natural athlete.

    Why does LeBron struggle so much??
     
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    There's really nothing misleading about it. Jordan's peak was better than anything Lebron has managed, but their careers are fairly similar till you get to the end of MJ's career. Lebron will end up being better for longer but he won't touch the high water mark MJ set.

    Also, the graph shows what a joke it is when people hype up Kobe.
     
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    Lebron screwed himself by going to Miami.

    Those guys could’ve still formed the same team, but had they come to Cleveland to play with him the perception would be different.
     
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    Jordan had a more successful playing career than either Magic or Hakeem but it's not at all clear that he was a better player than either of those. Good arguments can be made for both Magic and Hakeem. I would make them.

    Had Magic's career not been cut short by HIV it would be a much different discussion. Jordan was not only right-place-right-time but ironically benefitted from Magic's (and Bird's) success in his own reputation. If I could do it all over again, I'd still pick Hakeem over Jordan, although I'd trade Sampson for Clyde and the rights to pick Jordan instead. Sampson, though, had WAY more potential than Jordan then and Clyde was considered Jordan's equal at that stage. Don't forget that Portland drafted Bowie over Jordan as well, after all they had Jordan's equal in Clyde plus big men were more important until the league changed the game to promote Jordan's skills.

    From a career success standpoint, Kareem, Bird and Russell are arguably superior to Jordan. From a pure talent standpoint, Hakeem, Magic, Bird have good arguments. Jordan has timing, marketing, and a league looking to replace Magic and Bird and willing to revise the rules to suit Jordan's talent. Jordan is the manufactured and marketed GOAT, not objectively the best ever.
     
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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...y-score-50-with-the-hand-check-rules-in-place
     
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    This is the difference between Lebron and Michael Jordan
     
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    Jordan wouldn't coast on D.
     
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    Lebron has a few playoff games where He seemed just completely disinterested...passing the ball off and what not. Jordan never would’ve done that. Jordan had that drive to be better than everyone, all the time ...hell to the point of being an ahole about it. Lebron doesn’t seem to have that. If things aren’t going his way...he quits.
     
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    I'd put Magic(5) over Bird (3) for career success. It's too bad both had their careers cut short. I'm not forgetting Magic's comeback squads...I'm trying to.

    Marketing def plays a role because no one talks about Duncan's 5 as much as Shakobe's runs (they should've won more with the roster they had and the league's backing...).

    If Lew Alcindor learned how to smile on queue and had his face in commercials all the time, he'd probably be thrown up for GOAT more often.
     
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