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[NBA Head Coaching] By the numbers

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by steddinotayto, Nov 22, 2021.

  1. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Contributing Member

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    I posted something along the lines of "if an NBA head coach witnessed and was a part of crap teams as an assistant then he's going to probably be a bad head coach, leading is own crap teams" in a discussion regarding Stephen Silas and his 20 years of assistant coaching service. @SamFisher called BS on that assumption and I truthfully never had time to compile data on coaches. Also compiling data on head coaches isn't as easy as compiling data on NBA players because it's not readily available, specifically their W-L record on teams where they were an assistant. Since I had time this week with the office being pretty slow, here is the data on the current NBA coaches (including the newly appointed Alvin Gentry):

    CoachFromToYrsGWLW/L%W > .500Asst. Coach WAsst Coach L Asst Coac W/L%W/L% differential
    Alvin Gentry199520201711055105950.462-42.576561955%-9.1%
    Billy Donovan2016202274892862030.58541.5000.0%58.5%
    Chauncey Billups20222022117980.5290.5472565.3%-12.4%
    Chris Finch2021202225723340.404-5.537833453.1%-12.7%
    Doc Rivers2000202223171310017120.584144.5000.0%58.4%
    Dwane Casey20062022139164584580.5068942761.7%-11.7%
    Erik Spoelstra200920221410486184300.599446340753.2%5.8%
    Frank Vogel20112022117564073490.5382931334347.7%6.1%
    Gregg Popovich1997202226197813146640.66432526322953.5%12.9%
    Ime Udoka20222022117980.5290.548923068.0%-15.1%
    J.B. Bickerstaff2016202263161211950.383-3738558339.8%-1.5%
    Jamahl Mosley202220221174130.235-4.556663147.3%-23.8%
    James Borrego2015202252671151520.431-18.528527351.1%-8.0%
    Jason Kidd2014202263891921970.494-2.5944965.7%-16.3%
    Luke Walton2017202264071662410.408-37.5671581.7%-40.9%
    Mark Daigneault2021202228828600.318-16442861.1%-29.3%
    Michael Malone2014202295963142820.5271646034457.2%-4.5%
    Mike Budenholzer2014202296543842700.5875790843867.5%-8.8%
    Monty Williams2011202285552712840.488-6.524924350.6%-1.8%
    Nate McMillan200120221813046966080.5344413010655.1%-1.7%
    Nick Nurse201920224244146980.5982426314764.1%-4.3%
    Quin Snyder2015202285703342360.5864916115151.6%7.0%
    Rick Carlisle200220222015438437000.54671.540638251.5%3.1%
    Stephen Silas2021202228818700.205-2672988845.1%-24.6%
    Steve Kerr2015202285643911730.693109000.0%69.3%
    Steve Nash2021202228960290.67415.5000.0%67.4%
    Taylor Jenkins20202022316180810.497-0.527321955.5%-5.8%
    Tom Thibodeau20112022106874022850.58558.584975952.8%5.7%
    Tyronn Lue2016202263001851150.6173518611561.8%-0.1%
    Wes Unseld202220221161150.688355172643.1%25.7%
    Willie Green202220221183150.167-61428562.6%-45.9%
    Now does my previously statement hold true, that if you sat on that bench as an assistant with crappy teams you'd eventually lead your own crappy team as a head coach? Well let's take a look.

    1. The first thing I want to call out are the ZACs, Zero Assistant Coaching. This group is comprised of Steve Kerr, Steve Nash, Doc Rivers and Billy Donovan. If you were wondering about Billups he had one year with the Clippers. Anyhow, these four guys have a cumulative win total of 1738 wins against 1117 losses, good for a 60.9% winning percentage. This is easily better than the remaining 27 head coaches' cumulative percentage of 48.6%, or almost a +13% difference. I am calling the ZACs out not because they are winning at a pretty high margin (60.9% is about a 50-win season) but because the statement I previously made was exclusive to head coaches with assistant coaching experience. So for this exercise I'm removing the ZACs.

    2. Once I remove the ZACs, we are left with 27 head coaches (due to the recent firing and appointment of Walton and Gentry, respectively). In terms of wins and losses, there's a wide range in terms of head coaching experience as you can see above: some have only had a year or two as an assistant like Billups or Daigneault whereas there have been "seasoned" HCs with years of assistant experiencing like Thibs, Budenholzer and our very own Steve. This next call out might ruffle some feathers...some might even think I'm cherry picking data to fit my own narrative. Well that may be but it's not an egregious removal. What I want to remove are the head coaches who only have 1 or 2 years of experience at the lead gig. The Silas's, the Bilups's, the Udoka's, etc of the coaching world can be excluded because their data has simply too much noise (e.g. W/L% differential between their HC record vs their assistant coaching record). So 8 coaches are removed: Billups, Green, Udoka, Unseld Jr, Mosley, Daigneault, Finch and Silas.
     
  2. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Contributing Member

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    3. So now we're left with 19 head coaches (including poor ole Luke). Across these 19 coaches there are 13796 victories, 7556 losses, and 199 years of cumulative coaching experience.

    CoachFromToYrsGWLW/L%W > .500Asst. Coach WAsst Coach L Asst Coac W/L%W/L% differential
    Taylor Jenkins20202022316180810.497-0.527321955.5%-5.8%
    Nick Nurse201920224244146980.5982426314764.1%-4.3%
    James Borrego2015202252671151520.431-18.528527351.1%-8.0%
    Luke Walton2017202264071662410.408-37.5671581.7%-40.9%
    Jason Kidd2014202263891921970.494-2.5944965.7%-16.3%
    Tyronn Lue2016202263001851150.6173518611561.8%-0.1%
    J.B. Bickerstaff2016202263161211950.383-3738558339.8%-1.5%
    Quin Snyder2015202285703342360.5864916115151.6%7.0%
    Monty Williams2011202285552712840.488-6.524924350.6%-1.8%
    Michael Malone2014202295963142820.5271646034457.2%-4.5%
    Mike Budenholzer2014202296543842700.5875790843867.5%-8.8%
    Tom Thibodeau20112022106874022850.58558.584975952.8%5.7%
    Frank Vogel20112022117564073490.5382931334347.7%6.1%
    Dwane Casey20062022139164584580.5068942761.7%-11.7%
    Erik Spoelstra200920221410486184300.599446340753.2%5.8%
    Alvin Gentry199520201711055105950.462-42.576561955%-9.1%
    Nate McMillan200120221813046966080.5344413010655.1%-1.7%
    Rick Carlisle200220222015438437000.54671.540638251.5%3.1%
    Gregg Popovich1997202226197813146640.66432526322953.5%12.9%
    Looking specifically at the win differential (head coaching vs. assistant coaching) if we take the absolute value of each coach's % and generate an average across 19 coaches, we have a +/- 8.2%. In terms of NBA regular season games, 8.2% is about 7 games. That's a pretty good margin: in general terms, an assistant coach taking over a team that went 41-41 the season prior could, theoretically, have that team anywhere between 34 and 48 wins if every other variable remains constant from the previous season.

    Now, do I go ahead and try to "cherry pick" my data even more? Sure, let's do that and the first thing I'm looking at is Walton. Luke's numbers are heavily influenced by two extremes: his two years as an assistant on historic Warriors teams and his actual mediocre head coaching gig. "But Sted, didn't you want to prove that a guy having a great W/L record as an assistant would tend to yield a similar W/L record as a head coach? By you eliminating Walton you're not only being hypocritical but will also unnecessarily feed the trolls!". Well, for starters, based on the W/L % differential alone, Walton can/should be considered a statistical anomaly. Second, we all know the Warriors, by now, can function without a head coach. With both of those reasons, I'm going to wipe Luke off the list. By doing that the +/- shrinks from 8.2% down to 6.3%, or +/- 5 games. There are still extreme cases, where the % differential > 10% (like Pop with a +12.9% or Kidd with a -16.3%) but paring down the data even more wouldn't move the needle (6.3% down to 4.9% when removing Pop, Kidd, and Casey) as it did by just removing Walton from the equation.

    So, what's the conclusion? I guess what the data says, at the surface, is that a head coach's Win-Loss record wouldn't deviate too much from what he saw while riding pine as an assistant. JBB has a lifetime 38.3% winning percentage has a head coach and a 39.8% winning percentage as an assistant over almost 1000 games. Mike Malone's head coaching record is only about 4% lower (57.2% vs 52.7%) than what he saw as an assistant. So where does that leave us for the new/recently new head coaches?
     
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    CoachFromToYrsGWLW/L%W > .500Asst. Coach WAsst Coach L Asst Coac W/L%W/L% differential
    Chauncey Billups20222022117980.5290.5472565.3%-12.4%
    Willie Green202220221183150.167-61428562.6%-45.9%
    Ime Udoka20222022117980.5290.548923068.0%-15.1%
    Wes Unseld202220221161150.688355172643.1%25.7%
    Jamahl Mosley202220221174130.235-4.556663147.3%-23.8%
    Mark Daigneault2021202228828600.318-16442861.1%-29.3%
    Chris Finch2021202225723340.404-5.537833453.1%-12.7%
    Stephen Silas2021202228818700.205-2672988845.1%-24.6%
    Some of these guys (Billups, Green, Udoka) came into their respective HC gigs with very high success from their time as an assistant. So far, out of the three, two are barely over .500 and Willie Green has a mess in New Orleans. On the other end of the spectrum, Wes Unseld Jr. has, so far, performed better (+25.7% differential) than his assistant record states.

    "A-ha! So you're saying that assistant coaching record has ZERO correlation to how a guy would do as a head coach! Which means you're admitting that Silas has been wrongfully blamed for the Rockets' lack of success and should be given more time!!!"

    Mmmmm no, not saying that at all. What I am saying is that while Silas might not be as bad as his current head coaching record appears (looking at his small sample size of 88 games coached) , the trend among assistant coach to head coach tell us that he doesn't have a lot of run way to work with given his winning % (45.1%) as an assistant over 1600 games. If we apply the +/- % (6.3%) from the 18 coaches you're looking at a head coach with a potential min of 38.8% (or 32-win season) or 51.4% (42 wins). Of the 18 coaches that are left (once we remove the ZACs, the newbies, and Walton), 75% of the list has performed worse as a head coach than they did as an assistant based on W/L%. The 6 that DID perform better has a HC vs their time as an assistant are coaching or have coached some of the best teams (e.g. championship) in the NBA right now: Carlisle, Thibs, Spoelstra, Vogel, Snyder, Pops. Of course most of these coaches also benefitted from having transcendent players on their roster (Carlisle had Dirk, Spoels had the Big 3, Pops had his own Big 3, Vogel had LeBron) so they could have very well been closer to a +/- of 0% than what their + % differential says.

    TL;DR: Picking an assistant who's entire career has seen success doesn't automatically translate into his own success as a head coach (+/-6.3% between his assistant W/L record vs his HC record) but starting out with a higher winning percentage as an assistant definitely doesn't hurt.

    Pick through, analyze, criticize, etc. whatever you want. :) Just thought I pass along some data.
     
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    steddinotayto Contributing Member

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    Fun facts:
    Of the 31 (including Walton) head coaches, 12 were former NBA players. Of those 12, 3 were forwards (Walton, Williams, Udoka), 2 were shooting guards (Green, Carlisle) and 7 were point guards. Their cumulative winning % as head coaches is 55.3%

    Stephen Silas has the most assistant coaching experience among the 31 coaches, with 1617 games. Second on that list is Thibs.

    With Walton canned, the current head coach with the highest winning % as an assistant is Ime Udoka with 68% and second is Budenholzer with a 67.5% winning percentage. Not surprisingly, both came from the Spurs. FWIW, Walton's % as an assistant is an absurd 81.7%
     
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    Daigneault (age 36, thunder) and Mosley (age 43, magic), I think are contemporaries to Silas (age 48) as far as new head coaches. Silas having a lot more assistant coach experience is good on paper, but just as we judge the players, results do matter.

    Even in a rebuild, Rocket fans begging the team to not have a worst record of all time in NBA history, is not too much to ask.

    p.s. Despite Walton's assistant record, never thought he was a good coach. He finally got exposed.
     
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