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Man decapitates passenger aboard Greyhound bus in Manitoba

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  1. madmonkey37

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    Bus en route to Winnipeg from Edmonton; story contains graphic details
    Last Updated: Thursday, July 31, 2008 | 2:39 PM ET Comments703Recommend1530
    CBC News

    A passenger repeatedly stabbed and then decapitated a young man aboard a Greyhound bus travelling through Manitoba overnight in what appears to be a random attack, witnesses told CBC News.

    Police officers spent the night examining a Greyhound bus where a passenger was reportedly stabbed and decapitated late Wednesday.Police officers spent the night examining a Greyhound bus where a passenger was reportedly stabbed and decapitated late Wednesday. (John Woods/Canadian Press)The RCMP would not confirm the report, only saying that a homicide took place about 18 kilometres west of Portage la Prairie, Man., late Wednesday on a bus driving along the Trans-Canada Highway.

    The RCMP said a suspect, whose identity has not been released, was arrested early Thursday morning. More information would be released Thursday afternoon at a press conference in Winnipeg, RCMP said.

    About 37 passengers and a driver were aboard the bus en route to Winnipeg from Edmonton, according to a Greyhound spokesperson.

    Passenger Cody Olmstead, 21, told CBC News he had smoked a cigarette earlier in the trip with the victim, whom he described as a man in his late teens or early 20s. The victim got on the bus in Edmonton, he said.

    "I never took the time to know him, but he seemed to be OK, right, just a kid," said Olmstead, a Nova Scotia man who had been taking the bus from Alberta to Montreal.

    "He just said he was going to Winnipeg … going home, that's where he was from."
    'Blood-curdling scream'

    Garnet Caton, who was sitting in the seat in front of the victim, said he saw the attacker stab his seatmate, a young man sleeping with his headphones on.

    Caton said he heard a "blood-curdling scream" and turned around to see the attacker holding a large "Rambo" hunting knife above the victim, "continually stabbing him in the chest area."

    "He must have stabbed him 50 times or 60 times," said Caton.

    "Like, just everywhere, arms, legs, neck, chest, guts, wherever he could swing it, he got it," said Olmstead.

    "It looked kind of like a scuffle or an argument, you know, and then somebody's, like, 'Knife! Knife! Run!' so I was running up the alleyway, slapping people telling them to get going, move, get off the bus. I got pushed over, some lady got pushed over, I was just making sure everybody was OK, and we all got off the bus," said Olmstead

    As panicked passengers fled the bus, "the attacker was over top of the victim … continually cutting him. I think the victim was gone at that point," Caton said.
    Trio tried to check on victim

    Caton, the driver and a trucker who had stopped at the scene later boarded the vehicle to see if the victim was still alive.

    Garnet Caton said he heard a 'blood-curdling scream' and turned around to see a man repeatedly stabbing the passenger sitting next to him.Garnet Caton said he heard a 'blood-curdling scream' and turned around to see a man repeatedly stabbing the passenger sitting next to him. (CBC)"When we came back on the bus, it was visible at the end of the bus he was cutting the guy's head off and pretty much gutting him up," said Caton.

    The attacker ran at them, Caton said, and they ran out of the bus, holding the door shut as he tried to slash at the trio.

    When the attacker tried to drive the bus away, the driver disabled the vehicle, Caton said.

    "While we were watching the door, he calmly walks up to the front with the head in his hand and the knife and just calmly stares at us and drops the head right in front of us," said Caton.

    "They did an awesome thing, holding him in there, because if not, what would have happened?" said Olmstead.
    Acted 'like he was a robot'

    Caton described the attacker as surprisingly calm. "It was like he was at the beach or something. There was no rage in him. He wasn't swearing or cursing or anything. It was just like he was a robot or something."

    Police cruisers arrived about 10 minutes after the attack began, he estimates, and officers began directing passengers to school buses to take them to a hotel in Brandon.

    "While we were waiting on the side of the road, [the attacker] was taunting the police with the head in his hand," said Caton.

    Caton described the attacker as appearing "totally normal" earlier in the journey, even chatting with a young woman as he smoked a cigarette during a break.

    But when he got back on the bus, he moved his belongings from the front to a seat beside the victim in the back and about 20 minutes later began attacking the man, said Caton. "He didn't say anything to the victim at all," said Caton.
    Counsellors, chaplains aid passengers

    A six-year-old and other children were among the passengers who saw the horrific incident unfold, said Caton.

    "It was pretty traumatic," he said, adding that some passengers said they have been unable to sleep or eat since it happened.

    "It's disturbing," Olmstead agreed, adding that images of the previous night haunted him when he tried to fall asleep early Thursday morning. "I closed my eyes and I seen him in the window there, just like a madman."

    Bev Cumming, head of acute care services for the Brandon Regional Health Authority, said chaplains and psychiatric nurses have been working with dozens of passengers on the bus since they arrived in Brandon.

    Bus violence

    Recent violent incidents that have occurred on Greyhound buses in Canada:

    * Dec. 24, 2007: A 27-year-old man is stabbed after an argument with another passenger on a bus near Tweed, Ont.
    * Feb. 16, 2007: A group of people in their 20s attack and beat the driver of a bus in Lloydminster, Alta.
    * Dec. 23, 2000: A man attempts to take control of a bus near Thunder Bay, Ont. Thirty-two passengers are injured when the bus lands on its side in a ditch. One woman later dies of her injuries.
    * March, 2000. A pregnant woman is attacked by a man on a bus in London, Ont. The woman suffered injuries to her arms.

    "When you see something as horrifying as that, the brain locks on to those images. It's very difficult to release those images," Cumming said.

    "The assistance that people will get will be along the lines of coping in the immediate phase, learning what to do to reduce the profound effect this experience will have."

    Tim Sen, president of Trauma Management Group, which offers counselling and post-traumatic support in Ontario, said it will take time for bus passengers to come to terms with what they've seen.

    "They will experience very, very vivid flashbacks of that occurrence. Those will usually dissipate over a period of time, but right now it's going to be very vivid [as] they're still dealing with the shock and processing this horrific event," he said.

    "There's not a right or wrong way to go through this. Some people will still be in shock and being very flat in presentation, like nothing's happened. Other people may not get out of bed and not want to move for a while, or be having what we call very acute [responses], so they'll be maybe crying and not wanting to calm down at all. Everybody's going to go through this very difficult journey in a very different way."

    For children on the bus, Sen said, the response will depend on the age and maturity of the child. Generally, the key message caregivers should try to convey is that the situation is over and the child is now safe.

    If intense feelings and emotions and symptoms such as flashbacks don't subside within a few months, Sen said, the passengers should consider seeking professional help.
    Investigation is in 'full motion': minister

    Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day commented on the killing, saying that like most Canadians, he was horrified to hear witness accounts of the homicide.

    "The horrific nature of it is probably one of a kind in Canadian history," he told reporters late Thursday morning in Lévis, Que.

    The minister said he didn't want to say anything that would compromise the investigation, but "I can assure people that everything is in full motion and momentum to getting to the bottom of this incident."

    Questioned about whether weapons regulations should be put into place for buses, Day said it would be premature to look at such precautionary measures but added that the legal process will be followed as "aggressively as possible."

    Greyhound spokeswoman Abby Wambaugh said the company is examining security on buses.

    "We are working with Transport Canada to review inter-city bus security," she said.

    "Due to the rural nature of our network, airport-type security is not practical for bus travel. It's just a completely different system."

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/07/31/greyhound-transcanada.html
     
  2. ChrisBosh

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    The guy who was sitting in front of the guy getting stab'd had an interview with CBC, the way he described everything was chilling.... honestly how does someone do such a thing and remain calm.... scary.
     
  3. Surfguy

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    The guy obviously has mental issues. I just wish cops would have shot him dead when he came to the front of the bus with a head in one hand and a knife in the other. I don't care what this guy's issues are. His right to life is history. Unfortunately, I guess worst case is he gets life in prison or goes to a mental institution. I don't care what is wrong with him. He should die.

    It's kind of sad everyone was in flight mode. This crazy guy was so busy stabbing this poor fellow that several guys could have jumped him or bashed him in the head from behind. But, it's hard to know how one will react in that situation. Obviously, there were no fighters on that bus willing to do something about it. They were all flighters. I would pray that someone had the brass balls to help me in that situation.
     
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    wow...I dont want to judge cause i dont know how I would react in that situation but it sucks that no one tried to tackle him or nothing
     
  5. s land balla

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    I'm working in Toronto right now and everyone in the office is talking about this.
     
  6. Lil Pun

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    Read about this on CNN. Planes, buses, and what's next?
     
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    Yea, KILL THE MURDERERS!!
     
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    35 other passengers on that bus and they all try to run away off the bus? 4 or 5 of them couldn't show some freaking cojones and tackle the guy? Jesus Christ. This world is in bad shape when people are too much like sheep to not even attempt to take this guy down.
     
  9. DOMINATOR

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    how do you tackle a guy on a bus? much less 4 or 5 people?
    victim was probably stabbed 10 times before anyone knew what was going on.
    dont blame people that were trying to save their own butt. blame the crazy man.
     
  10. BullFan

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    There can be only one
     
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    If I was to do anything in this situation I would have to have a weapon myself, or at least grab something to knock him out with. I don't think I'll tackle anyone with a knife alone. And if I had a family or loved one with me...my first reaction would probably be to get them out safe...which is what I think most of them did. Things like this happen too fast, and it's hard to switch your instincts from "save yourself" to "fight back" when you can barely comprehend what's going on.
     
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    i normally would have lol'ed but i think that was in poor taste for this particular topic.
     
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    In all fairness, the guy was being stabbed with a Rambo-style hunting knife. He was probably dead after the first 2 or 3 stabs. The noise the victim let out, which must have been awful, was probably on the initial stab or two. I seriously doubt he would have lived because of the delayed reaction to what was going on. So, there probably wasn't anything anyone could do anyway. I'm glad I wasn't on that bus hearing that and seeing that. I would never be able to get that out of my mind for the rest of my days.

    The guy who did it is a coward p***y. No way around that. It's basically sucker punching someone with a knife. Going by past psycho idiots who have done something similar, these types of people usually do stuff like this to see what it feels like to kill somebody. I recall a case where a young guy walked up to a boy at a urinal in a bathroom and just sliced the boy's throat killing him. No warning or nothing; the boy is just taking a piss. His rationale was he wanted to see what it felt like to kill somebody.
     
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    Well said. Don't forget, this is on a bus. It's one narrow path. It's not like 4 guys could bum rush him at the same time. It's going to be one on one for a few seconds at the minimum, and it's pretty much a given the first guy to try to take him down will be stabbed. It's almost like fighting in a phone booth.
     
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    It apparently happened at night when the lights in the bus were out, and the two were in the back of the bus. It would have been hard to tell what was going on initially, so quick intervention may not have been possible. I heard one report that said the attacker was a big guy with a big knife. I wondered as well why people didn’t intervene right away, but there may have been reasons. A trucker stopped not long after the bus pulled off the road and when he found out what was going on he apparently handed out some tire irons and other things that could be used as weapons and a group of men stood by the door keeping the attacker from getting out of the bus. Once they figured out what was going on they did take action, but it sounds like he’d killed the kid before very many people had sorted out what was going on.

    Capital punishment hasn’t been legal in Canada for 30 years, btw, and there hasn’t been an execution for close to 50 years, and I’m still not in favour of it.

    This is shocking for all Canadians I think. I live in Alberta, Calgary, and this is a booming place that is attracting a lot of transients, gangs, and troubled people of various sorts. I wonder if this is a guy who came out west but didn’t make it and had to leave with his last hopes shattered, and his mind finally snapped. I’m guessing that he was a hunter as well, but that’s just speculation. We’ll find out more as this unfolds.
     
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    Back in August of 2001, I was on a Greyhound bus with a man in a wife-beater, shorts, and a three-gallon gas can full of ... something. Not sure. He got on in North Carolina, and got off in DC.
     
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    In totally unrelated news, Rockets just traded for Ron Artest.
     
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    Well, I think we can all agree that gas prices ain't really all that bad, heh!!!!
     
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    Holy jesus...:( The things some people do...RIP kid...
     
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    It probably hasn't sunk in yet. Someone I know very well has witnessed a similar incident (though not on a bus), and he says he was calm at first and almost on an adrenaline high just from having survived it. That he almost seemed to feel better, or did really well. The trauma sunk in later.

    My friend also feels bad to this day because he ran from the scene instead of fighting. He left to go call for help, and somebody had to; I've always told him he shouldn't feel bad, and that's what the counselors say, but he knows that others stayed and fought with the guy. The one the attacker ended up killing was not the intended victim, but someone else who tried to protect that person.

    There will be a lot of trauma from this bus incident, though the only true fault is that of the actual perpetrator. Pray for everyone involved...
     

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