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Lima returning to Houston?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by countingcrow, Nov 12, 2004.

  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Which of his Detroit stints was he "alright" in? Was it his 5-10 record with the 4.71 ERA or the 4-6 record with the 7.77 ERA?
     
  2. SmeggySmeg

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    you cares about Jose, lets just sign the wife
     
  3. codell

    codell Contributing Member

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    I wonde if MLB would count that as one roster spot or 3.
     
  4. MadMax

    MadMax Contributing Member

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    no, thank you.
     
  5. rrj_gamz

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    Casa Ole, Hey, everyday, Hey, Casa Ole...

    U got to love it...Bring Lima and Mrs Lima's little Friends... ;)
     
  6. kevwun

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    Lima was effective in the Astrodome and Dodger Stadium, both notorious pitcher parks. The Astros should pass. Chan Ho Park was a good pitcher when he played for the Dodgers.
     
  7. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Correct...his ERA away from Dodger stadium was 5.56.
     
  8. SamCassell

    SamCassell Contributing Member

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    Lima pitched fairly effectively for Kansas City in 2003, especially on the road. So that's 2 pretty good seasons in a row, he's not "back" but he's certainly a solid starter in the right situation. Unfortunately, that situation is not in Houston. There are enough pitchers out there who might be able to pitch effectively in our ballpark, let's not bring in a guy who's proven that he cannot.
     
  9. rockets-#1

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    I like Jose, but he cannot pitch at Enron, yes Enron Field.
     
  10. giddyup

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    If we sign Lima, don't leave him in the bullpen, get him to second base and let him lead off. I hear he gets a lot of stand-up two-baggers.
     
  11. tigereye

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    People keep talking about "Lima cant pitch at Enron Field."

    But do they realize that Enron Field is a drastically different place now compared to when he was here in 2000?

    Back then, then-Enron's left field power alley was the shortest in baseball with a 9 foot high fence. And it surrendered the bulk of the homers hit to left, not the Crawford boxes. After that first season in 2000, with all the homers given up, the Astros soon realized they had to do something to save their pitchers. So they yanked the 9 foot high wall in favor of a nearly 30 high foot reach to the Conoco Power Alley Concourse. That height is comparable to the height of the Green Monster, which is at 37 feet high.

    Has it worked?

    Minute Maid Park's homer count now is not as prolific as it used. In fact, if memory serves me correct, The Rangers Ameriquest Field gives up more homer now on average then MMP.

    Now sure, some might argue that Jose is a fly-ball pitcher and that the Left Field line's (Crawford Boxes) distance is still the same as it was in 2000. Ballparks like the Astrodome and Dodger Stadium is what Lima lives off.

    But consider this.

    Because off this change to Minute Maid Park's Power alley, Lima can now actually get away with alot of mistakes and succeed as a fly ball pitcher here in Houston simply because this change now gives Lima more room to be the fly ball pitcher that he is. Think about it. Its now much tougher to hit a homer in the left field power alley then it was during his stay here in 2000. And its even tougher to hit a dinger to center. All this combines to give Lima the real estate needs to be a successful fly ball pitcher in Minute Maid Park. I'm even willing to bet that had the ballpark been designed like this when it was opened, the nightmarish 2000 he and other pitchers endured would have never happened in the first place.
     
  12. kevwun

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    They balls to left center would still be hits and not outs. It would help his era some, but not enough imo.
     
  13. Roc Paint

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    Please, don't get me started on him. I do like his desire though.
     
  14. MONON

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    Lima can't last 2 innings in MMP. He needs to be in a big park.
     

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