1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[#LearnToCode] Media Company Layoffs

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, Jan 28, 2019.

  1. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    34,159
    Likes Received:
    13,572
    @NewRoxFan, I've been laid off, I know what it's like. I'm sympathetic. But celebrating the misfortunes of others is free speech not hate speech.
     
    Nook, Astrodome and jcf like this.
  2. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    54,539
    Likes Received:
    54,479
    Like I said, we don't even know what caused the person that started the whole debate having their account temporarily suspended. Its quite possible (likely in fact) that is was a string of things. All we know is that they were found to have violated twitter's rules re: abusive behavior (not "hate speech"). And since I believe twitter is a private business and its "stateless", what is "free speech"?

    Which again, makes we wonder why people feel the need.
     
  3. No Worries

    No Worries Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    30,156
    Likes Received:
    17,097
    Twitter is the one censoring this "speech" as hate speech. They have a legal department advising them. (talanvor and dachuda pull their legal opinions out of their ass.)

    I find the speech in question "hateful", which SCWs embrace regularly. I could see where someone would see this speech as hate speech, though I am unsure it reaches the bar of "hate speech" which a legal "term of art". SCWs have been throwing their hate at MSM journalists, like forever. This hateful speech is prejudiced against a group (journalists) and given the current SCW leader says in his campaign rallies this speech could incite violence against said group. This is dancing close to "hate speech" line. I will leave it to lawyers to figure if this speech crosses the line or not. Twitter's legal team have spoken.
     
    peleincubus likes this.
  4. No Worries

    No Worries Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    30,156
    Likes Received:
    17,097
  5. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    54,539
    Likes Received:
    54,479
    btw, I didn't want to imply you were not sympathetic to those being or that have been laid off. If what I wrote suggested that I apologize.
     
    jcf likes this.
  6. Nolen

    Nolen Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    2,718
    Likes Received:
    1,261
    That's some awesome satire, seriously. That was pretty damn funny.
     
  7. Cohete Rojo

    Cohete Rojo Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2009
    Messages:
    10,344
    Likes Received:
    1,203

    Seems like just last week Twitter was allowing users to dox, threaten, and harass a 16 year old for having smirked.
     
    Bobbythegreat likes this.
  8. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    72,952
    Likes Received:
    111,148
  9. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    63,554
    Likes Received:
    26,144
    You've gotta understand though that the kid had the "wrong" politics so that means it's okay to dox or offer sexual favors to anyone who assaults a minor or to call for their death.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    Yeah, those things are okay, but it's "hate speech" to suggest a "journalist" who was laid off learn to code. Glad we got that cleared up.
     
  10. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    86,193
    Likes Received:
    84,679
    If you had read the articles, you would know. Google and Facebook, long story short.

    Again, should the Federal government step in to prop up this industry?
     
    Nook likes this.
  11. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    86,193
    Likes Received:
    84,679
    Why do you guys put journalist in quotes?
     
  12. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    34,159
    Likes Received:
    13,572
    I agree with you that Twitter can do whatever they want and have no obligation to let people speak. I'm responding, I guess, more to the @No Worries who, imo, overreact to put this sort of speech in the same category we put racial or religious violent animus.
     
    jcf likes this.
  13. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    63,554
    Likes Received:
    26,144
    I'm not sure who "you guys" is exactly, but when talking about those who were laid off, some were real journalists, some were not. It's disrespectful to actual journalists to lump them in with opinion writers from Huffington Post and the like.
     
  14. dmoneybangbang

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    21,013
    Likes Received:
    12,881
    Wow, they use the same graphics as incels use to cry about their lack of personal responsibility.
     
  15. dmoneybangbang

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    21,013
    Likes Received:
    12,881
    Buzzfeed is a click bait.

    NYT and Washington Post are doing well because they rely on paid subscribers and ads. No more #failing NYT.
     
  16. dachuda86

    dachuda86 Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2008
    Messages:
    16,308
    Likes Received:
    3,580
    It implies they don't do the actual job of a journalist anymore, and instead have become the new sharia police of the church of social justice. Or it means they are laid off and aren't journalists anymore.
     
  17. dmoneybangbang

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    21,013
    Likes Received:
    12,881
    Oooooh. I wasn't clued in on the significance of "learn to code", seems like they're just gloating like how a bunch of young males would.
     
    No Worries likes this.
  18. tallanvor

    tallanvor Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    17,150
    Likes Received:
    8,893
    Its mocking journalists. for when they wrote a bunch of 'coal miners learn to code' articles to the coal miners being laid off.



    now journalists get laid off so people tell them to learn to code. They don't like it
     
  19. jcf

    jcf Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    2,190
    Likes Received:
    2,271
    These examples are horrible obviously.

    But where did Twitter say it was "hate speech." I see where Twitter says it violates the Rules.

    We can discuss/argue about the fairness of Twitter's Rules or their application, but the discussion between JV and NRF about "hate speech" seems like it is based on an overstatement of saying Twitter declared it actual "hate speech."

    Also, did a bunch of journalists really respond to other layoffs with "learn to code" or was that a more isolated occurrence?
     
  20. jcf

    jcf Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    2,190
    Likes Received:
    2,271
    Great HBO documentary on Jimmy Breslin and Hamill. Those guys were journalists.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now