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Law Enforcement Morale

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Nov 30, 2021.

  1. FranchiseBlade

    FranchiseBlade Contributing Member
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    No. Many wrongful convictions happen when people plead guilty because of the pressures of the DAs and police. They don't even go to trial. There were multiple examples of that happening in examples that I have posted.
     
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    Numbers? Your article is about one city
     
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    Almost 30% of exonerations included false confessions.
    https://innocenceproject.org/dna-exonerations-in-the-united-states/

    Here is another example.

    https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/about.aspx
     
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    A false confession doesn't mean a forced confession. Law enforcement believes someone is guilty. They put pressure on the suspect. They aren't looking to put someone innocent in jail. They are under pressure to clear cases. Again overall only 1 percent of people in jail are innocent.
     
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    Kind of, but a forced confession is a false confession. A false confession can also be a forced confession.
     
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    I applaud your attempt to make someone understand something . . .. . that they have a vested interest in not understanding

    You cannot make someone understand something they legitimately don't want to understand

    Rocket River
     
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    I think what you and @FranchiseBlade don't understand is we're talking about crimes that actually happened.

    To both of you what would be law enforcement's motivation to leave an actual criminal on the streets to lock an innocent person up?
     
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    It depends if it was the cops committing the crimes.
     
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    LEO certainly aren't immune from being biased, lazy and sloppy. We know that there are many cases where they have arrested, charged and even convicted someone due to bias, laziness or sloppiness. As of 2022 there are around 2.3 million people incarcerated in US jails and prisons. Even accepting that 1% figure of wrongfully convicted. That is 23,000 people.
     
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    This stupidity is why morale is low. Your response is police are criminals. Do you really believe that. There are 660k police officers. Do you think your articles represent them as a whole?
     
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    That number isn't all the fault of police. For instance the biggest factor was eyewitnesses were wrong. Lazy and biased isn't corrupt. You guys are making huge generalizations. When talking investigations of serious crimes we're talking detectives. Every case is individual.
     
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    There are police that are criminals. They have been convicted of murder, are currently on trial for murder, busted by the FBI, serving time.

    I never represented police as a whole. I mentioned that if they wanted to improve morale, one thing they could do was not ignore or stick up for the police that are criminals and seek to make the changes that will build more trust within the community.

    Having that trust would garner them much more support, which would improve their morale.

    Do you disagree that having increased community support would bolster the morale of police officers?
     
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    Bias when it is driving a wrongful conviction is corrupt. Many of the cases of the LAPD Rampart division were thrown out due to rampant corruption from racial bias. You're accusing others of generalizing yet your arguments are based on generalities. That there is factual evidence of such things happening show that it is a generalization to take the opposite position.
     
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    Accepting that it's a very minute amount would be easier than expecting a HPD officer to fix Chicago's problems. Obviously a bad cop is a huge story but it's about perspective

    Again there are 660,000 cops, your stories don't even approach 1% of all officers
     
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    That is a division that was corrupt. I'm not challenging that. It's still a minute percentage of all of law enforcement
    There are 660k law enforcement officers in this country
     
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    No my stories approach a much larger percentage when you look at cops that turn a blind eye, won't testify, captains and higher ups that won't try and make necessary reforms, etc. I'm looking at what's necessary to help improve the issue and not just the few cases that happen to have been caught by investigators and attorneys willing to seek justice for those wrongfully harassed and convicted.
     
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    You're projecting. You don't know how many cops turned a blind eye to those stories. It's not like it's ten ops in a squad car, is usually just two
     
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    Nobody knows how many turned a blind eye and that's part of the problem. We need to.

    It goes beyond just the two in the squad car.
     
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    Why would an officer who wasn't there know what happened?
     
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    There's reports, cal
    There's reports made, filed, reviewed, calls logged, investigation, evidence, DAs, hopefully oversight, etc. In addition there are conversations, possible eyewitnesses, etc.
     

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