Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Sorry guy, you just aren't going to make people care about this. It's a done deal, waste your energy elsewhere.

 

Is this how the gop want the next scj to be confirmed?

This is turning out to be a illegitimate nomination. If he get through like this, any decision where he is a deciding factor is forever illegitimate.

 

Democrats can throw all the temper tantrums they want, the confirmation will still be legitimate and the decisions will still be legitimate. Crying about it just mobilizes the GOP base.

 

Of course, this is how they want it to be confirmed.

They have 0 decorum left, it's all about consolidating their power, F everything else. I think in the end they will just rile up and mobilize the Democratic base, so really if they confirm him and he goes after Roe v Wade good luck at the polls for the next decade.

 

It's not how they prefer him to be confirmed, but they are willing to, even when he cannot be seen as legitimate. This is just bad. This group of GOP is bad for the country. The way the GOP stole one SCJ seat was bad enough. Now, they are hiding papers in order to have a confirmation. Just bad.

I don't know how it would play out politically, but I do know that our democracy is getting worse by the days with Trump and this current GOP group.

 

The point is that no amount of temper tantrums by the Democrats is going to stop it. You keep suggesting that Republicans should care about those temper tantrums and it's just not going to happen. If things were reversed, Democrats wouldn't care about Republican temper tantrums and they shouldn't.

Also, no one "stole" a SCOTUS justice, there simply wasn't one nominated that could get the support of congress so the job went unfilled until there was a nomination congress would support....that's how the system is supposed to work. Talk about nominations being "stolen" is just more temper tantrum BS.

 

I think this is bs. If this is unprecedented, it rips off any remaining appearance of an actual informed confirmation process.

The idea that if one Party has control of the Executive and Legislative branches, they should pack the Court because that is what the voters wanted is wrong.

The Judicial Branch is supposed to be there to uphold the Constitution and protect against mob rule (read majority) by making sure laws passed by the Legislature and signed by the President are in fact constitutional.

It is a check and balance that is being perverted. And, I know both sides have been playing political games for a long time. But this nuts.

 

That's exactly what the constitution says.....so, no, it's not wrong and it certainly isn't "unprecedented". If people wish to vote against the nominee, they are perfectly within their rights to do so.

 

I don't get the persistance of the "stolen seat" argument. Republicans on the judiciary committee made a wager both against time and against the extremely high likelihood that Hillary Clinton would win the election. They simply won the gamble.

Historically these kinds of political maneuverings were common, see for example:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/history-stolen-supreme-court-seats-180962589/

 

Aren’t those stolen examples? And as the article point out, they were before standard senate protocol.

If standard protocol is no longer a care and with this president under investigation, there is more justification to not allow any trump nomination to come up for consideration until the investigation ends. If the dem take the senate, is that what you want to see? Hint: they may just investigate forever to justify blocking all scj nominee and bet on winning the next election to steal these seats. Wouldn’t that be just wonderful?

 

So on one hand you want to whine because the Senate didn't rubber stamp a SCOTUS nominee and on the other you are upset that you can't block a SOCTUS nominee with the support to be confirmed.....

There's literally no justification for a blanket block of all SCOTUS nominees....well other than Trump derangement syndrome making people say really stupid things. Throwing a temper tantrum because the will of the people is different than what you want to happen isn't a good look. It wasn't a good look when a few Republicans pulled that nonsense when Obama was in office, it's not a good look now. If you want things to get better, you have to be better.

 

there is no "standard senate protocol."

Consider what Noah Feldman says the Constitution demands re filling Supreme Court vacancies: nothing.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...-senate-are-both-wrong-about-the-constitution

 

It doesn’t work like that.

 

"The will of the people" is an argument, but a bad one when talking about the Supreme Court -- which is supposed to ensure that the will of the people or the majority doesn't infringe on constitutional rights.

BTG is correct that our system procedurally allows for this kind of thing to happen. BUT, this has gone way over the line. Leave aside my naive view/hope that there would be some statesmen/women who would stand up for what is right, here we are not simply talking about one side voting their choice in.

We are talking about hiding information about a Supreme Court Justice during the nomination process.

That is scary.

 

I was referring to cloaking 100k plus pages. I'm not aware of that happening before.

 

Seems you are ever willing to peddle in falsehood and alternative facts like the dotard

Merrick Garland was nominated in March 2016, but the GOPs on the Senate (not Congress) Judiciary Committee decided to withhold consent on ANY Obama nominee (not just Garland) and refuse to even hold any hearings till January 2017. So no matter who was put forward, the GOP wouldn't consider him/her.

McConnell also boasted about it when he said, "One of my proudest moments was when I looked Barack Obama in the eye and I said, 'Mr. President, you will not fill the Supreme Court vacancy."

This was nothing but partisan politics by the GOP, without regard to the risk of having an unfilled seat in the supreme court during the elections.

Unfortunately, life is like a rolling wheel and the GOP will soon enough find themselves in on the other side, but the worst loser in all will always be the people.

Personally, I would like all senate decisions to require at least 60% and people would vote out members who use filibuster and similar tactics. Partisan politics will eventually kill any democracy