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Judge Strikes Down Oklahoma Same Sex Ban

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  1. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
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    With this ruling and the previous ruling striking down Utah's ban (still in place and being appealed in the USSC), even two of the most socially conservative states might end up having gay marriage.

    http://news.msn.com/us/judge-strikes-down-okla-same-sex-marriage-ban

    Judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    A federal judge struck down Oklahoma's gay marriage ban, but the ruling was stayed pending an appeal, meaning there will be no gay marriages for now.

    TULSA, Okla. — A federal judge struck down Oklahoma's gay marriage ban Tuesday, but headed off any rush to the altar by setting aside his order while state and local officials complete an appeal.

    It was the second time in a month that a federal judge has set aside a deeply conservative state's limits on same-sex marriage, after Utah's ban was reversed in December.

    U.S. District Judge Terence Kern described Oklahoma's ban on same-sex marriage as "an arbitrary, irrational exclusion of just one class of Oklahoma citizens from a governmental benefit."

    The ruling drew criticism from the governor, attorney general and other elected officials in this state known as the buckle of the Bible Belt. A state lawmaker who once said gay people posed a greater threat to the nation than terrorism blasted rulings from "activist judges."

    Kern said the ban is a clear violation of the U.S. Constitution's equal protection clause because it precludes same-sex couples from receiving an Oklahoma marriage license. In his 68-page ruling, Kern frequently referenced U.S. Supreme Court decisions issued last summer on gay marriage. He also took a shot at Oklahoma's high divorce rate, noting that "excluding same-sex couples from marriage has done little to keep Oklahoma families together thus far."

    "Exclusion of just one class of citizens from receiving a marriage license based upon the perceived 'threat' they pose to the marital institution is, at bottom, an arbitrary exclusion based upon the majority's disapproval of the defined class," Kern wrote. "It is also insulting to same-sex couples, who are human beings capable of forming loving, committed, enduring relationships."

    Republican Gov. Mary Fallin issued a written statement accusing Kern of undermining the will of Oklahoma voters who passed the gay marriage ban by a 3-1 margin in 2004.

    "The people of Oklahoma have spoken on this issue. I support the right of Oklahoma's voters to govern themselves on this and other policy matters. I am disappointed in the judge's ruling and troubled that the will of the people has once again been ignored by the federal government," the statement said.

    Attorney General Scott Pruitt said the Supreme Court had left it to the states to define marriage and that Kern's ruling was "troubling." He said it would likely take another Supreme Court decision to resolve the matter.

    Not including Utah and Oklahoma, 27 states still have constitutional prohibitions on same-sex marriage. Four more — Indiana, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Wyoming — do not permit it through state laws.

    For 17 days, Utah was the 18th state to allow gay couples to wed, after a federal judge there overturned the state's same-sex marriage ban. Hundreds of couples got married before the Supreme Court put a halt to the weddings earlier this month by granting the state a stay on a federal judge's ruling that two other courts previously denied.

    The fate of gay marriage in Utah now rests in the hands of the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver — the same circuit as Oklahoma.

    In both causes, federal judges said the states' gay marriage laws violated the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.

    "Equal protection is at the very heart of our legal system and central to our consent to be governed," Kern wrote. "It is not a scarce commodity to be meted out begrudgingly or in short portions. Therefore, the majority view in Oklahoma must give way to individual constitutional rights."

    Tulsa couple Mary Bishop and Sharon Baldwin, who work at the Tulsa World newspaper, filed the Oklahoma lawsuit along with another same-sex couple in November 2004, shortly after voters approved the constitutional amendment. Their case was the longest-running challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act, according to the national gay marriage advocacy group Freedom to Marry.

    "There's so much emotion, I'm kind of crying right now," Bishop said Tuesday. "It's overwhelming to think that we finally won.

    "Sharon and I want to get married here in Oklahoma. We've been together for more than 17 years — it's time. This is something that when I was young, I thought I'd never see in my lifetime."

    Tulsa County Court Clerk Sally Howe Smith said there was no way under Oklahoma law for her to give the couple a marriage license. "That's how I became a defendant in the case," she said.

    In 2006, the Tulsa couples' case made its way to the 10th Circuit after the district court denied the governor of Oklahoma and the state attorney general's motion to dismiss the case. The appeals court ruled in 2009 that the couple lacked standing, so the two couples filed an amended complaint removing the governor and attorney general and adding Smith.

    "The Bishop couple has been in a loving, committed relationships for many years," Kern wrote. "They own property together, wish to retire together, wish to make medical decisions for one another, and wish to be recognized as a married couple with all its attendant rights and responsibilities."
     
  2. mc mark

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    That's 19!

    You cannot stop it
     
  3. DwightHoward13

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    Why are we pandering to such a low percentage of the population? Homosexuals make up 2% of the population, and 10% of that 2% want to get married. We are getting worked up over .2% of the population. Why are we wasting so much time/money/effort on these people and let them clog up the courts? We should be brushing them under the rug. Not everyone can get what they want; the world does not work that way. The vast majority of homosexuals do not wish to get married; as the foremost authority on their lifestyle we should respect their opinion and keep marriage as it is.
     
  4. Roxnostalgia

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    Because everyone should be able to marry who they want and a lot of people need Facebook likes to validate themselves?
     
  5. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    We as Americans tend to favor equal protection under the law. It's kind of one of the things that makes us a big deal. Why do you hate America?
     
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  6. rocketsjudoka

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    So basically you are saying the majority should brush the minority under the rug.
     
  7. basso

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    troo dat.
    [​IMG]
    but cool, quand meme
     
  8. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    What would any thread be without basso posting a picture making an asinine point. Thanks, G.
     
  9. Commodore

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    this is like abortion, a social issues imposed undemocratically on all the states by judges

    not good for civil society
     
  10. basso

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    it's not like abortion; we all would do well to make that distinction.
     
  11. white lightning

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    Do you support civil unions?
     
  12. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    The law being upheld by judges. The horror.
     
  13. dback816

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    I know right, so ridiculous. Why can't we just let the trashy southern states keep slavery and prohibit women from voting? We should just let them do what they want.
     
  14. Deckard

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    The country would be far better off brushing bigots like you under the rug, with all due respect.
     
  15. KingCheetah

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    Damn liberals just keep winning -- what can stop this onslaught of socialism?

    Benghazi.
     
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  16. mc mark

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    Deck with the [​IMG]
     
  17. Commodore

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    yes, but it should be voted on, democracy and all that

    fixed
     
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    Serious question: What defines a bigot? It seems to be whatever liberals want it to be. And maybe "bigot" sounds right in your mind, but I would consider your labeling of me "propaganda." If my view doesn't fit your viewpoint, then that has to be knocked down until it ends.
     
  19. Commodore

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    bigot

    noun; President Obama 18 months ago
     
  20. Deckard

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    Say whatever bigoted thing you wish, dude. No one is stopping you. No one is "slapping you down." You made that comment knowing you would get this kind of response, or else you are so damn dense it beggars the imagination. With all due respect.
     

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