the problem here, texxx, is that you believe everything the whitehouse says. you ask for evidence (*links*), they get presented, and you dismiss it anyways..... so what's the point? all the whitehouse has to do is refute any and all allegations, and people like you will be completely satisfied. you're the same people who demanded an investigation into Clinton's sexual escapades no matter how many times he denied them, but apparently GW get's the benefit of the doubt. but hell, it's only war, so who cares? your party lines run deeper than any quest for the truth, and that makes you shallow. your opinion on the matter bears little relevance since your mind's already made-up.
You're welcome. (However, I think that Trader J, often times, says what he says just to get a rise out of No Worries and Glynch.)
I actually believe deep in Bigtexxx's heart, he is saying "OMG, the Emperor really has no clothes!" He's just afraid of speaking it out. C'mon, texxx, have no fear. You can do it! TJ and others will follow your courageous act. Say it, loud and clear: The Emperor Has No Clothes !
111chase111...you must be kidding me that you think Kuwait did not give y'all any oil...why do you think you helped them in the first place??? both Saudi and Kuwait gave oil as a payment to the "help" ... in the first gulf war.... how ideal that it was the U.S that brought madman saddam into power in the first place...he was trained by the best after all....the c.i.a......funny that it was the c.i.a that also trained OsamaLaden and provided him with weapons to fight the communists....how ironic that it is those two taht became the biggest nutcases that this world has seen...a conspiracy i smell
This post deserves a thread of its own - and I think it ought to be sticky. There is so much in it to discuss and debate. Nearly all the bickering about oil, terrorism, religion, and democracy thus far merely scratched the surfaces of some of the most deeply-rooted causes.
wizardball, I think you way overestimate the influence the Agency had in regards to Saddam gaining power, and way underestimate the ruthlessness and deeply clever abilities of Saddam himself, and his extended tribal family. He was not a tool of the Agency. If anything, he used the eager willingness of past US Administrations to consolidate his hold on power, and to aquire arms of various types, including the infamous seeds of his weapons of mass destruction. Many consider Saddam a creature of the United States gone bad. He was not. The US attempted to use him for their own ends, and he cheerfully accepted, because of his own ends. Truly, who were the real fools here? It's certainly not Saddam. We wanted him to contain Iran. He did. We helped him do it, in a ruthless fashion, one could argue, which Iran most probably holds against us. We used him for our national interests, as seen by those in power in the US at the time (context is everything), and he used us. To me, that's one of the most deeply ironic things about the whole Iraq Adventure... in many ways, we are just as culpable for some of what Saddam did, through our direct or indirect assistance, and now we deny everything from the past. Saddam himself, besides his other crimes. is guilty of overreaching with his invasion of Kuwait. Had he not done that, he'd be sitting in one of his palaces today, and very likely considered one of our "friends," despite the Administration's litany of reasons for why Bush made his voluntary war. Indeed, irony abounds. Keep D&D Civil!!
You have done your homework. All the rest google - Peak Oil Don't think we are there because of cheap oil. That could have been accomplished without war. We are there because in the next 50 yrs. oil will not have the value of gold, it will have the value of air and water and there will not be enough or alot to go around. It is a survival issue.
I wish people would simply look up the history of Saddam to see how he gained power. The U.S. had nothing to do with it. But if the U.S. had a hand in it you'd have to blame it on Jimmy Carter as he came to power in the late 70's. Deckard, that was a good post.
One thing that has always been a myster to me: If the world is truly running out of oil, how come the U.S. military is still so dependant on it. Administrations can twist truths for spin because of politics or bribes by the oil companies but I can't see any administration letting out military "run out of gas" so to speak. When the U.S. military re-tools then we should all be really worried. Unless they are already re-tooling and we just don't know about it yet. I suppose the U.S. could be acting as if oil is not going anywhere for a couple of reasons. 1) to keep the Middle East happy because as long as we are customers they can't get too out of shape and 2) to ensure that countries that are future threats like China get dependant on oil so that when it runs out they are in deep doo doo because, all the while the U.S has secretly been working on alternative fuel sources. Should this post go into that conspiricy thread?
Keep working on this, do more research. No one is acting at all. Oil companies are getting the message out. The players for the remaining oil are (in order of appearance) The US/G.B./Israel Europe China/Asia The remaining supplies are- Saudi Arabia #1 (but falling the fastest) Iraq Iran the rest combined. This game is called 'Survival Earth'. The American/G.B./Israel tribe is voting first right now because they have the immunity challenge prize- American Military Superiority. Europe Tribe is still mad that the U.N. solution was not used in Iraq, America got the jump on Europe by military presense in the region. France and Germany were particularly vocal because of this, but now that America has trumped them, they are working out their next compromise plan to remain on the island. China Tribe holds very important immunity card- US debt and dollar value by the throat. (They really want more of the military power immunity card but for now they see that economic bombs are just as devestating.) Nobody really wants to get voted off the island. But the game can't last forever. If Peak Oil is not really happening everyone is acting like it anyways. Expect control of middle east oil to dominate global dynamics for the next 10 yrs. Now go read everything you can about future oil production, exploration, building of refineries and Peak oil. Iran is next.
I have read up alot about the oil supply issues. You get alot of environmental views mixed in, but if you pay close attention to the energy sectors own research you see the picture. There is great tension between- US/Great Britain Europe (minus G.B.) Russia and China I am not sure why G.B. is aligned with us and not Europe. There is much posturing over oil. For instance lying deep within the political jockying with Venzuala is their oil supply. It is that way in Africa also. Follow the oil, coal, gas and pipeline stories and you will be able to 'read' the headlines with greater understanding. The current situation is interesting. Almost all the energy giants are saying we are facing rapidly dwindling supplies. Most Peak Oil geologists are giving us a 40-50 yr time window. Nations are acting like it is all true. God is in control. That is the factor that takes the 'grim' out of it for me. It is nothing more than a facination I have for the truth and research (though it is hard these days to believe things you read). Besides wishing I drove a hybrid vehicle. I do little to worry or think about the future of oil availability in the world. It does help me understand politics and economics and global policy better. I don't like being in the dark. What I love about the internet is not that it is all out there and you can believe whatever you read. What I love about it is I am a research junky and I can research and read all day. I don't retain or worry about much of it, but it is my hobby. I enjoy doing it. Don't be alarmed about Peak Oil. All the nations seek after these things, but your Father in Heaven knows what you have need of. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. I don't advocate complacency, just faith in God.
i hear ya. i wasn't calling you out or anything. just sad that it comes down to that. seems like we might possess alternatives we could be exploring instead of making war for fuel.
I realized that. And only God knows future events. I don't trust the internet or books or articles when it comes to the will of God. I trust the Bible. Anyhow as with all hobbies I enjoy, I do it for fun. I am personally convinced that our military actions have strategic goals that are far greater than the public political rhetoric. We are in Iraq on purpose because now is the time we need a military presense in the Middle East. I don't know what our next move is. We need more manpower. Maybe a military draft. We also may be able to get our goals accomplished if we can stablize Iraq. I think our most important goal today is to stabilize Iraq. We aren't going anywhere. This isn't like Desert Storm. This was the big move. We are there to stay. There is no doubt in my mind (which means nothing) that it is strategic in the minds of those who make the highest decisions in our own govt. that we maintain control of future oil supplies.
I haven’t been following this thread so if this is out of context I apologise in advance. If you count reserves other than conventional oil reserves, i.e. if you include reserves from oil sands, then Canada I believe is second on the list of world reserves. Canada is the largest single supplier of oil and petroleum to the US. http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/...ons/company_level_imports/current/import.html
so what plans have you made in preparation for the invasion? actually, we just invaded canada with bad basketball.
We made Canada a bilingual country, and the second language is French! Also, roughly 20% of the population votes for a democratic socialist party. Still coming? And the Raptors will be better next year. This was the goodbye Vince Carter year. They’ll have the post-Vince team together better next year and they’ll have two decent first round picks to work with too. They should have tried a little harder to get Steve Nash last summer though.
