Immigration Crisis in Europe - what should be done?

Islanders on Lesbos block camp and port as refugee arrivals spike

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...t-refugee-arrivals-spike-200301181623591.html

 

This is what is going on in Evros right now.

The "poor baby refugees"


Innocent refugees




Innocent and helpless running away from war. While waving the turkish flag


They have been fighting against the army for two days.
Tomorrow there will be bullets to the illegal tresspassers.
Whoever dies is their own responsibillity.

 

I agree Greece shouldn’t shoulder the burden for the EU and other countries should step up. At the same time the US should be helping it’s allies by taking up more of the burden. Most importantly the international community should be doing much more to end the war in Syria.

None of that is going to happen with the current leadership in London, Brussels, Ankara, Moscow and DC.

 

going the eastern european route eh? (that they treat this border this way is why none of them are being sent through that bulgarian border)

 

what? Care to explain I don't understand wat you mean.

 

Bulgaria is the other european country that has a border with Turkey, they built a wall (lol), but there has been no asylum movement towards them but they're sending their military to shoot them, just in case, my comment is a reference to you saying "the army is deployed with live ammunition, and if they try to cross it's their own fault", which is exactly the policy Bulgaria and other eastern european nations use.

Being islands should make it easier if the will to stop them was there, as the water acts as a natural barrier, then you just block any boat trying to cross.

 

The UN found it is illegal for Greece to suspend asylum applications for one month.

They can suck our d!ck.

Ah ok.
No unfortunately it isnt easier at all the opposite. There are too many islands and the international law says that when a boat is toppled the navy is required to save lives.
The immigrants as soon as they see a coast guard are sinking their own boats and diving in the water to force them to be saved.

For this reason a 5 year old girl was drowned yesterday.

From today the coast guard and the navy will start shooting tresspassers also by sea, but if they fall in the water they must save them.

 

You can't claim asylum if you are coming from a safe country... they were already in Turkey... these are not asylum seekers and the UN has no real teeth anyway... what? Are they going to go after Greece's booming economy?

 

I see what you did there.

 

What we are seeing is chaos caused by trump, with his precipitous withdrawal from northeastern Syria that caught everyone by surprise. Congress, the Pentagon, including the commanders in Syria and the region, our allies, they were all blindsided. We were maintaining stability with a minimum number of troops, along with our Kurdish allies, who did so much to defeat the Islamic State and who trump betrayed. One other figure shares responsibility. Erdogan of Turkey, who was able to talk trump into stupidly withdrawing.

Now the Russians, on orders from trump's good friend, Putin, are bombing towns full of civilians, hospitals, refugee camps, all the while calling the people "terrorists." They are doing it to support the brutal Assad dictatorship and the Syrian troops on the ground. They are deliberately trying to drive the people into Turkey by killing and maiming the innocent. Erdogan's response is something he didn't expect to have to deal with. He's driving the people into Europe, or trying to.

Both trump and Erdogan are such fools. Erdogan is discovering what doing business with Putin entails. Betrayal. Mr trump is discovering what being Putin's "friend" gives the United States, catastrophe, yet he says nothing against Putin. I wonder why.

 

Trump started the refugee crisis?

 

Trump and America are responsible for the refugee crisis’s which have engulfed Central America, the Near East, North Africa and Sub Saharan Africa... throw in Central Asia too... didn’t you know?

 

Trump needs to get his **** together.

 

This isn't about Trump. I agree. But we can't ignore America's involvement in using their influence and power to overthrow regimes that don't want to play ball with them and destabilize regions from South America to the Middle East. We have a long 60+ year history of doing this.

Some introspection in our intrusion and meddling will go a long way in making our country we love sustainable in the long term. Repeating the same mistakes isn't sustainable.

 

I mean, it's complicated and nuanced.

Cries of "aMeRiCaN ImPeRiAliSm" aren't complicated or nuanced.

"aMeRiCaN ImPeRiAliSm" isn't the reason the majority of these countries have never had political stability or well functioning democratic institutions or failed to see the economic progress the first world has seen.

It's not Americas fault most every country in Africa is sending migrants towards the Mediterranean and Europe.

Most of these countries have had deep deep issues separate and apart from any American interference and to chalk up all their problems to America is nonsense.

 

What do you think it is? Genetic predisposition of Africans?

Africa is an actual European colonial issue. Notice how I did not include Africa.

The US has its hand in destabilizing regions in South America and the Middle East because the regimes there did not want give into Has demands on trade. Iran is an example when the British and Americans toppled the Iranian regime that resulted in Iranian citizens giving into theocratic dogma about saving their country from Western oppressers.

 

Classy but I wouldn't expect anything less coming from you.

Africa, by and large, experienced little European Imperialism until the 19th century. The infamous "carving up of Africa" occurred late in the 19th century. To blame Europeans for writ large lack of political stability, economic progress or well functioning democratic institutions in Africa is myopic.

I don't think anyone can deny the U.S. has a checkered history of international affairs. They've done good things and they've done bad things.

The idea that, like I said, that "aMeRiCaN ImPeRiAliSm" is the reason the majority of these countries have never had political stability or well functioning democratic institutions or failed to see the economic progress the first world has seen is asinine. By and large, these countries didn't have those things before any U.S. intervention.

 

And what is your reasoning? Genetic predisposition?

 

I'm sure there are a lot of reasons some societies were able to develop Democratic institutions, relative political stability and advanced economic opportunity and some were not. I don't think it has anything to do with Genetic predisposition.

 

Why were some societies able to obtain political stability and advance economic opportunities and other societies not? Genetic predisposition?