How does trading for draft picks work under the new CBA?

I do not know the answer, but for what i have seen of recent drafts trades usually after the pick has been made. I am guessing that onced picked the rookie has a salary based on the position in the draft, which then allows trade to more easily happen.


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As heypartner first pointed out during his "where did the $4.5M come from" quest, in a trade, draft picks count nothing against the cap Otherwise the same rules apply as in any other trade.

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[This message has been edited by aelliott (edited April 29, 2000).]

 

You're close, but not exactly right (or maybe I'm just misinterpreting what you're meaning). If both teams are over the cap, then the player salaries have to be within 15%, that's correct. If the team that is trading up in salary is under the cap and they can fit the contracts they're getting under their cap, then the 15% rule doesn't apply. See, they can't really do any deal they want, they still have to be able to fit the salaries under their cap. It's a minor point.

Cap-wise the deal you proposed might not work . Kenny and Drew should be around $2M in salary and Kandi man should be $3M+. Since we'd be the team trading up we'd have to have at least $1M in cap space to make that work. I also don't believe that the Clips will trade a potential #1 pick for players of Thomas and Drew's skills. They'd be looking for somebody a little more proven.

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[This message has been edited by aelliott (edited May 01, 2000).]

 

aelliot-But we can use part of the 4.5 exception for that, right?

Since we'd be the team trading up we'd have to have at least $1M in cap space to make that work.
Wouldn't THEY be the ones under the cap, if it's 2+2 (4) compared to 3, meaning they're taking on more salary?

So, you mean in the pick trading thing, if we trade up, the pick counts under the cap? Or are you saying the scenario is before the draft? I think if we do it during the draft and the Clippers were to pick for us, and we pick for them, it'd work, right?

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You'd think someone with a handle like Sherlock would be better at investigating these things.

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Just a question, but wasn't Bonzi Wells traded for a future first round draft pick (under the new CBA)?

My understanding is that until the player signs, teams over the cap can accept a draft pick because it's simply the "rights to negotiate" with the pick being transferred. Could be completely wrong though.

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aelliot-But we can use part of the 4.5 exception for that, right?
Yeah, you're right we could use some of the trade exception here.

Wouldn't THEY be the ones under the cap, if it's 2+2 (4) compared to 3, meaning they're taking on more salary?

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking here.
You lost me somewhere around the 2+2 portion.

So, you mean in the pick trading thing, if we trade up, the pick counts under the cap? Or are you saying the scenario is before the draft? I think if we do it during the draft and the Clippers were to pick for us, and we pick for them, it'd work, right?

I'm not completely sure at what this question is asking either, but let me correct a bad choice of words that I used in an earlier post.

Draft picks have zero value for the purpose of matching salaries in a trade. They do count against an individual team's cap. Those are two separate things. In my earlier posting I said that draft picks didn't count against the cap and I should have said that they didn't count in the aggregate salaries for a trade. Sorry. That rule applies whether you trade up or down in salary.

As far as having the Clippers pick for us and trading after the fact, I believe that unsigned rookies have no value in trades either. If I remember correctly, the fact that Francis didn't count at all in the trade salaries was the key to heyPartner figuring out where all the $4.5 in Trade exceptions came from.

Biggest problem that I see with this proposed trade isn't cap related. It's just too weighted in Houston's favor. Even the Clippers wouldn't do that deal.



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the 2+2 part, I was talking in millions....being Bryce Drew's 2, and Kenny Thomas' 2 (million) OOPS!! I see where I messed up, I thought you were saying Drew and KT were 2 mill each (they're a little over a mill each I think). I figured the rest out, thanks.

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