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Here comes our rain - tropical storm?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Faos, Aug 3, 2008.

  1. Faos

    Faos Contributing Member

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    Looks like we are in for a much needed soaker.

    [​IMG]

    http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2008/08/something_wet_t_1.html

    Chron:

    Something wet this way comes...

    The tropical disturbance about 180 miles southeast of New Orleans has seen bursts of convection this morning, and surface pressures are falling. Although under the influence of some dry air, wind shear is low in the area and the bottom line is that a tropical depression seems more likely than not to form in a day or so.

    WHERE THIS WILL GO


    It's impossible to know for sure, of course, as we're dealing with an as-yet unformed system. But the computer models are fairly consistent in bringing something to the Texas coast between Corpus Christi and the Texas-Louisiana border by early Tuesday.

    During the next two days models forecast a large ridge of high pressure to expand eastward into the southeastern United States, which would allow for such a movement first to the west, and then to the west-northwest.

    A hurricane hunter will likely fly into the system this afternoon, and I also know the Texas Governor's Office of Emergency Management will begin their conference calls today to prepare for possible impacts from the system.

    Because any landall would come so soon there's little time to prepare, and if anything does form it probably won't do so until the last 24 hours or so before landfall.

    WHAT THIS SYSTEM WILL BECOME

    It's important to stress that none of the computer models presently develop this system into anything more than strong tropical storm.
     
  2. Xenon

    Xenon Contributing Member

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    That track is reminiscent of Alicia ain't it?
     
  3. mtbrays

    mtbrays Contributing Member
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    I kind of enjoy tropical storms, so long as they are not on the Allison level. Plus, we really need the rain.
     
  4. dntrwl

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    Retreat to the midwest!
     
  5. Xenon

    Xenon Contributing Member

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    Here we go. We have a new tropical depression and this one has us in its sights. The forecast discussion is interesting especially the part about the latest GFDL. This seems very much like Alicia. [​IMG]

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    WTNT45 KNHC 032033
    TCDAT5
    TROPICAL DEPRESSION FIVE DISCUSSION NUMBER 1
    NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL052008
    400 PM CDT SUN AUG 03 2008

    SATELLITE IMAGERY DURING THE DAY HAS SHOWN THAT THE LOW PRESSURE
    AREA IN THE GULF OF MEXICO HAS A LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER
    EXPOSED JUST TO THE NORTHWEST OF A CLUSTER OF SOMEWHAT DISORGANIZED
    CONVECTION. RECENT REPORTS OF AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE
    HUNTER AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT THE CIRCULATION IS WELL-DEFINED
    ENOUGH FOR THE LOW TO BE DESIGNATED A TROPICAL DEPRESSION. THE
    AIRCRAFT HAS REPORTED MAXIMUM FLIGHT LEVEL WINDS OF 36 KT AND A
    MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE OF 1007 MB. BASED ON THIS...THE INITIAL
    INTENSITY IS SET TO 30 KT.

    THE INITIAL MOTION IS A SOMEWHAT UNCERTAIN 265/5. THE DEPRESSION IS
    ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF A STRONG MID-LEVEL RIDGE OVER THE SOUTHERN
    PLAINS...WITH THE LARGE-SCALE MODELS FORECASTING THE RIDGE TO BUILD
    EASTWARD DURING THE NEXT 24-48 HR. THIS SHOULD STEER THE CYCLONE
    GENERALLY WESTWARD OR WEST-NORTHWESTWARD TOWARD THE UPPER TEXAS AND
    WESTERN LOUISIANA COASTS. THE TRACK MODEL GUIDANCE IS IN GOOD
    AGREEMENT IN CALLING FOR LANDFALL IN THIS AREA...WITH THE GFS AND
    UKMET AIMING AT WESTERN LOUISIANA AND THE REST OF THE DYNAMICAL
    GUIDANCE AIMING AT TEXAS. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST TRACK FOLLOWS THE
    MODEL CONSENSUS AND CALL FOR LANDFALL ON THE UPPER TEXAS COAST IN
    36-48 HR. THE FORECAST TRACK IS IN BEST AGREEMENT WITH THE ECMWF.

    THE DEPRESSION IS CURRENTLY ENCOUNTERING NORTHERLY VERTICAL WIND
    SHEAR AND DRY AIR ENTRAINMENT...WHICH HAS GIVEN THE SYSTEM A RAGGED
    APPEARANCE. THE LARGE-SCALE MODELS FORECAST THE SHEAR TO DIMINISH
    AND THE UPPER-LEVEL WINDS TO BECOME MORE FAVORABLE FOR
    INTENSIFICATION DURING THE NEXT 48 HR. THE INTENSITY FORECAST
    CALLS FOR THE SYSTEM TO MAKE LANDFALL WITH 50-55 KT WINDS IN
    AGREEMENT WITH THE SHIPS MODEL. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE LATEST
    GFDL CALLS FOR THE CYCLONE TO REACH HURRICANE STRENGTH BEFORE
    LANDFALL... WHICH IS A SHARP CONTRAST TO PREVIOUS RUNS. DUE TO
    THIS LACK OF CONSISTENCY...THE INTENSITY FORECAST WILL NOT YET
    REFLECT THIS POSSIBILITY.
     
  6. Jeff

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    This one appears to have a more westward component than Alicia, which keeps it a little closer to land.

    Development should be interesting given the fact that it is suffering from wind shear and some dry air at the moment. I'd guess we could have a minimal cat 1 on Tuesday just south of Galveston Bay meaning we'll get a crapload of rain.

    We might get some wind, but I can't see this thing blowing up to a major storm in two days, so mainly lots of rain, which we need. Careful for the flooding and keep your eyes peeled for a twister if the rain gets nasty enough.
     
  7. KingCheetah

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    This is the kind of storm that blows up and gets big right before it hits the shore.
     
  8. Xenon

    Xenon Contributing Member

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    No one can predict the intensity of a Gulf of Mexico storm. These things have the ability to blowup at an incredible rate at times. Look at Humberto last year as an example.

    Edit: It does look to be in pretty sad shape at the present time.
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Please please please come to Austin.

    DD
     
  10. rox0607champs

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    the thing thats bothering me about this depression is its moving ~6mph. I hope this doesnt turn into a monster storm :(
     
  11. Faos

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    I hope it tracks a tad north so we don't get the dirty side.

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  12. Xenon

    Xenon Contributing Member

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    I'm starting to worry. There is little doubt that we are at least going to see some bad weather from this. How much and how severe is the big question. We are smack in the middle of the cone and I don't see that cone moving much at all till landfall. And you are right this thing is a slow mover. It will dump some rain.

    Edit: Holy crap that was fast. We now have Edouard.

    000
    WTNT35 KNHC 032150
    TCPAT5
    BULLETIN
    TROPICAL STORM EDOUARD SPECIAL ADVISORY NUMBER 2
    NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL052008
    500 PM CDT SUN AUG 03 2008

    ...DEPRESSION STRENGTHENS TO A TROPICAL STORM...THE FIFTH OF THE
    SEASON...

    A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE LOUISIANA COAST
    FROM THE MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER WESTWARD TO INTRACOASTAL
    CITY. A TROPICAL STORM WARNING MEANS THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS
    ARE EXPECTED WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

    A TROPICAL STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT WEST OF INTRACOASTAL CITY
    TO PORT OCONNOR TEXAS. A TROPICAL STORM WATCH MEANS THAT TROPICAL
    STORM CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA...GENERALLY
    WITHIN 36 HOURS.

    FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE
    INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED
    BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

    AT 500 PM CDT...2200Z...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM EDOUARD WAS
    LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 28.1 NORTH...LONGITUDE 88.0 WEST OR ABOUT 95
    MILES...155 KM...SOUTHEAST OF THE MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER AND
    ABOUT 420 MILES...675 KM...EAST OF GALVESTON TEXAS.

    EDOUARD IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 6 MPH...9 KM/HR...AND
    A GENERAL MOTION TOWARD THE WEST OR WEST-NORTHWEST IS FORECAST
    DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. ON THE FORECAST TRACK...THE CENTER
    OF THE CYCLONE WILL MOVE PARALLEL TO THE LOUISIANA COAST TONIGHT
    AND MONDAY...AND APPROACH THE UPPER TEXAS COAST ON TUESDAY.

    MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 45 MPH...75 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER
    GUSTS. SOME ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 24
    HOURS...AND EDOUARD COULD BE NEARING HURRICANE STRENGTH BEFORE
    LANDFALL.

    TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 35 MILES...55 KM
    FROM THE CENTER.

    THE LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED BY RECONNAISSANCE
    AIRCRAFT WAS 1002 MB...29.59 INCHES.

    TIDES OF 2 TO 4 FT ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS CAN BE EXPECTED IN THE
    WARNING AREA IN AREAS OF ONSHORE FLOW.

    EDOUARD IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE TOTAL RAIN ACCUMULATIONS OF 1 TO 2
    INCHES ALONG THE THE LOUISIANA COAST WITH POSSIBLE ISOLATED MAXIMUM
    AMOUNTS OF 3 INCHES. ONCE THE SYSTEM MOVES TO THE UPPER TEXAS
    COAST...TOTAL RAIN ACCUMULATIONS OF 2 TO 4 INCHES WITH ISOLATED
    MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF 6 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE OVER SOUTHEAST TEXAS.

    REPEATING THE 500 PM CDT POSITION...28.1 N...88.0 W. MOVEMENT
    TOWARD...WEST NEAR 6 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...45 MPH.
    MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1002 MB.

    AN INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE
    CENTER AT 700 PM CDT FOLLOWED BY THE NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY AT 1000
    PM CDT.

    $$
    FORECASTER FRANKLIN/BLAKE
     
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  13. rcoleman15

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    Here is the NHC track. As it is right now that would put me right in the cross hairs for its landfall if it stays to that track.

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  14. BucMan55

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    As long as it doesnt turn around and go back to the gulf like Allison did we should be fine.
     
  15. Xenon

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    WTNT45 KNHC 032157
    TCDAT5
    TROPICAL STORM EDOUARD SPECIAL DISCUSSION NUMBER 2
    NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL052008
    600 PM EDT SUN AUG 03 2008

    WHEN THE RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT PASSED THROUGH THE CONVECTION TO
    THE SOUTHEAST OF THE CENTER A SHORT TIME AGO...IT FOUND MAXIMUM
    FLIGHT LEVEL WINDS OF 54 KT AND A SURFACE PRESSURE OF 1002 MB...A
    DROP OF 5 MB IN AN HOUR AND A HALF. THESE DATA INDICATE THAT THE
    DEPRESSION HAS STRENGTHENED INTO THE FIFTH TROPICAL STORM OF THE
    SEASON.

    THIS SPECIAL ADVISORY UPDATES THE INITIAL AND FORECAST INTENSITY OF
    THE TROPICAL CYCLONE. EDOUARD IS NOW EXPECTED TO BE NEAR HURRICANE
    INTENSITY AT LANDFALL...WITH THE OFFICIAL FORECAST BETWEEN THE GFDL
    AND SHIPS GUIDANCE.


    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INITIAL 03/2200Z 28.1N 88.0W 40 KT
    12HR VT 04/0600Z 28.2N 89.4W 45 KT
    24HR VT 04/1800Z 28.4N 91.5W 50 KT
    36HR VT 05/0600Z 28.9N 93.8W 60 KT
    48HR VT 05/1800Z 29.5N 96.2W 45 KT...INLAND
    72HR VT 06/1800Z 30.5N 100.5W 20 KT...REMNANT LOW
    96HR VT 07/1800Z...DISSIPATED
     
  16. Kam

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    every little named storm in the gulf, my mom tells me to fill my gas tank up.
     
  17. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    We had the slip and slide out in the back yard today and were doing our rain dance....I hope it works....come on little stormy, come to DaDakoteeee

    DD
     
  18. Jeff

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    For those concerned with rapid intensification, I put together this overlay of the forecast track on the current Gulf heat potential. This shows the warmer areas of the Gulf. Note that Edouard is currently over some moderate heat with the worst to his south.

    Since the forecast model tracks all seem to be in excellent agreement, it would appear Edouard will remain well north of the Gulf's warmest waters making rapid intensification like we saw with Katrina and Rita unlikely.

    If you recall, in 2005, the Loop Current eddy - a deep, warm pool of water that sits in the Gulf nearly every summer - was what caused both of those storms to blow up as both eyes passed directly over some of the warmest portions of that eddy. In contrast, even the warmest portions of the Gulf are several degrees cooler than the eddy was in 2005.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. Creepy Crawl

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    I just got home from Spring and it was raining big time on the Hardy Toll Road . My yard desperately needs its .
     
  20. Xenon

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    I think those charts are used far more than necessary. That just indicates that the depth of the very warm water is deeper in those areas listed as orange etc. That doesn't mean that the blue shaded areas are cold. Those are in fact very warm waters near the coast. The depth of the warm water may be shallow there but this is a moving system. Slow, but moving. If we had a stationary storm then those TCHP charts would have more significance imo.
     

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