Otoh, if it's as bleak as you put it, then what difference would impeachment make either way? At the time of the now "premature" leak of the whistleblower, people were arguing against it because it would galvanize the opposition and anger Independents for "wasting time". Pelosi held it off for that reason to the point where she almost lost control of her party's unified messaging. Now we're seeing in polls that the demos have mostly stayed within the margin of errors. The hearing has proved that lines were already drawn. Republicans are trenching themselves behind their Maginot Senate, piling one sandbag after another. Democrats are displaying buyer's remorse in different degrees to what you've described. With the trenches so deep, what do you think is the extent of the negative impact of impeachment? Maybe there's political fatigue that they are more gun-shy about opening up impeachment again. So what? They would never have had the chance to convict without a Senate majority. Result would just be like this one, provided the economy is growing. This feels just like another Bush term. Cheney could've been impeached for different levels of mendacity and duplicity that damaged the credibility of our laws and institutions, but there was only across the board outrage and opposition when Bush became a lame duck and the country's economy started showing the stress of two trillion dollars wars, a misguided tax cut, the losses from 9/11, another fruitless stimulus package, and another recession. Holy ****, Trump still isn't as horrible as dub****... yet. All this talk of emergency powers sounds just like blotus and his coup accusations. If there's a similar crisis at the book end of his term, I'll bet Trump's deepest supporters will be among the impeach circle jerk because it's never too late to undergo a baptism in politics.
Haven't you heard? She's a time traveler and would just jump back to to the future to avoid capture. The picture on the left was taken in 1898.
Right and geriatrics often are paranoid, suffer signs or senility and are not in touch with what the majority of people believe and think.
I’ve been traveling so haven’t been checking in much on CF but have been keeping track of the news. I don’t have time to give a long answer but in response to your question, Yes impeachment isn’t very worth it. It is more so because of what you say that a stand, even One that doesn’t remove him from office is made.
And what if it leads to him having even more power? Let's say he uses it not only to win in Nov but also to take more power. Let's say he manipulates elections and then uses the fact that he has the House and Senate to set-up a defacto dynasty? Would you still take that stand?
Yes because I don’t accept the argument that impeachment is making Trump stronger. He wouldn’t have written his unhinged self pitying letter if it did. I don’t think the polls are showing Trump’s approval rating skyrocketing like Clinton’s did. Also if you recall the Democrats still lost the election after impeachment and couldn’t take the House or Senate back. If the fear is that impeachment will somehow cost the Democrats in the next election then they don’t deserve to win. Things change very quickly in Washington these days and it’s still not clear at all who will be the Democrat running against Trump next fall. That will be a much larger factor than whether Trump is impeached or not, provided he isn’t removed from office.
I think you mistake what's at stake here. It's not about Dems winning or losing an election, it's about Trump abusing power. Once impeached and once acquitted, he is free to abuse his power more. People are complacent. They have too much faith in a piece of paper written over 200 years ago.
Trump has dictatorial aspirations. What holds him back is his fear of overstepping and going so far that he is removed or loses an election. By being impeached and surviving, he will learn that nothing can stop him in his mind. That will embolden him to become more extreme. This is why impeachment is bad. It's bad because you are not dealing with a president who has only just committed high crimes and misdemeanors, but one who seeks to become a dictator and is in the lines of Kim Jong in personality. He is paranoid, deeply narcissistic, and incredibly power hungry. He is also backed by Russia. And now you have just showed him that he can not be removed from office even for trying to fix an election. What do you think happens next?
I don't think Trump has ever been one to carefully measure his abuses. I don't think he even knows the laws about what he can and can't do or how government checks and balances work. He will continue to abuse power, but I doubt he doesn't do anything differently than he would have before.
He might be right. _______ ‘Kill the gays’ pastor suggests climate activist Greta Thunberg is demonically possessed and ‘needs Jesus’ https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/ki...erg-is-demonically-possessed-and-needs-jesus/
