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GOP Concedes Latino Voters in 2016 and beyond.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Jul 1, 2014.

  1. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

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    WE see the GOP doing an admirable job blocking Obama with their gerrymandered districts and their right wing S.Ct legislating from the bench-- no more of the laughable claims to "strict constructionism" etc, but they may well lose Latinos for a generation and when their old guys on the S. Ct die watch out.

    Way to go Boehner. Thanks. for the pronouncement that immigration reform is over as far as the GOP is concerned.:)
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    Boehner Decides Helping Hillary Win Is Better Than Passing Immigration Reform


    At the start of 2013, I really thought immigration reform was going to happen. Unlike every Obama-supported initiative that Republicans had opposed, the cold political logic of cooperation was obvious: Republicans would alleviate their crippling weakness with Latino voters while Obama would gain a major policy accomplishment. The only real loser in the deal would be the 2016 Democratic presidential candidate, who would lose a powerful issue, but Hillary Clinton was not going to be in the room when the deal was cut.

    It didn’t happen. The failure of the House to pass a bill of any kind represents a fascinating case study of a party unable to act on its recognized political self-interest.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/boehner-helps-hillary-kills-immigration-reform.html
     
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    Yet at the end of the day the GOP will still remain the party of old white folks in the South and parts of the west.


    Obviously something is wrong with your message. Maybe if you fix it you will only lose non-whites by a massive margin instead of an ultra, massive one?
     
  5. rudan

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    Third world will always vote for the givers, God help us all :(
     
  6. SamFisher

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    Not true. You don't.
     
  7. TheresTheDagger

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    Not at all! This might be the first thing in quite some time I've seen Obama do that I agree with. :)
     
  8. Major

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    They will, because they see one party trying to address the problem - and the other running away from it. The House GOP asked the Senate to take the lead. They did - and passed a bipartisan bill. And then the House GOP said they wouldn't vote on it and would come up with their own bill. More than a year, they've come up with nothing and now admit they aren't going to either. So yeah, people who think the issue is important will generally support the party that is at least trying to address it rather than the one that doesn't.
     
  9. A_3PO

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    After 2012's 75 to 23 devastation, I was certain Republicans would be smart enough to realize they couldn't win national elections with Hispanics despising them. So much for that.

    Hillary says thank you very much! Her margin for error in 2016 remains huge.
     
  10. krosfyah

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    Hispanics have one fatal flaw, they aren't mostly old, white men. If the Hispanics would quite being so lazy and fix that problem, then the Republicans could get on with the business of saving America. As it stands, we're doomed because of the lazy Mexicans who refuse to conform.
     
  11. Invisible Fan

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    They're caught in their own redistricted inertia. Voting for the national good won't help their re-election bids when the most important fight for their careers are the hyper partisan primaries that chooses crazier from crazy.

    Across several districts, they've inbred the most perfect Conservative shill who believes the bull**** they peddle, but just craven and apathetic enough to grease private interests.

    They're even losing control of the Senate, so the prospect of projecting viability as a national party is the least of their concerns.
     
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    Well, from the article it's a crisis we can't handle -- since this fiscal year started we have had 52,000 children that have come to the US (double all of last year already). Obama is asking for 2 billion in immediate aid to beef up security and he is forcing the republicans to vote on an issue that deeply divides them. All those kids have to be put in foster or group homes and in Texas alone our foster system is already stressed to the max with US residents who can't handle being parents.
     
  13. Dubious

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    The people behind the GOP don't care about national elections, because that's only the Presidency. The President can't do squat without legislative approval; no laws, no judges, no Bureau Heads, no policy shifts, nothing but minor and peripheral things. And by having a Democrat in the top office, it gives them a point of focus for local campaigns that they can lay blame on and campaign against.

    Business wants stability, business wants keep what they have achieved, business wants Congressional obstruction. Buying Congressional seats is the most cost efficient way to do that, both on the radical right to be the barking dogs, and the corporate center-right to quietly control the agenda.

    Electing Presidents is just a distraction and a false sense of empowerment. Gerrymandered Congressional and State Representatives are where it's at.
     
  14. glynch

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    Agreed that is basically how the system is functioning. I still think a strongly populist president could bust through the logjam. It won't be a moderate guy like Obama who is afraid of Wall Street, the bankers and the billionaires.

    Alternatively the .001% will keep squeezing everyone else and even the long suffering passive American electorate might have enough.
     
  15. Dubious

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    Nah, we are political toast, bought and paid for, owned. Citizens United and the Roberts court will crush populism. I had some hope that the internet would be the great democratizer, but it turns out it's actually pretty to buy control of that as well.

    It would take several generations just to claw back enough power to overturn the existing gerrymandering and a compelling economic imperative to cause it. If the 1% manages the economy enough to keep the masses placated with entertainment and enough sugar and fat to stay alive the status quo is set till something really disruptive happens.

    Hunker down, this is it for a while.
     
  16. rocketsjudoka

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    Protesting busloads of children will really help win over Hispanics voters.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/02/us/california-immigrant-transfers/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    (CNN) -- A wall of angry protesters blocked three buses of undocumented immigrants in Southern California, forcing them to turn around -- but with no clear final destination.

    The immigrants had traveled from south Texas to San Diego and were on their way to be processed at the Murrieta Border Patrol station when the standoff took place Tuesday.

    Protesters chanting "USA!" "Impeach Obama!" and "Deport! Deport!" blocked their route. A heated yelling match ensued between the demonstrators and a group of counterprotesters.

    After the buses turned around, the 140 people on board were taken to a border station in San Ysidro, said Ron Zermeno of the National Border Patrol Council.

    It was not immediately clear whether they would stay there or what would happen next.

    But several children were taken to Rady Children's Hospital in San Diego with unknown illnesses, border patrol officials told CNN affiliate KGTV.

    Enormous challenge

    The U.S. government is struggling to process and accommodate an influx of undocumented immigrants, and specifically a spike in immigrant children. The government doesn't have enough beds, food or sanitary facilities.

    Authorities estimate 60,000 to 80,000 children without parents will cross the border this year in what the White House has called an "immediate humanitarian crisis."

    To help relieve crowded facilities in Texas, undocumented immigrants are now being sent elsewhere to be processed.

    But Zermeno said processing immigrants, rather than enforcing the borders, is only making the situation worse.

    "My concern is they are going to be eating in the same holding cells as someone sitting 5 feet away using the bathroom," he said.

    Murrieta Police Chief Sean Hadden said he was told to expect 140 immigrants every 72 hours, with the next group scheduled to arrive on Friday. He encouraged the public to attend a town hall meeting Wednesday evening.

    Intense debate

    The furor in Murrieta illustrated the conflict between protecting the borders and the safety of families.

    "If these children were from Canada, we would not be having this interview," immigration rights advocate Enrique Morones told CNN.

    "The parents have had enough. They are saying, 'If I don't send my child north, they are going to die.' "

    The mayor of Murrieta, Alan Long, had urged residents Monday to protest the decision to move undocumented immigrants to the area, the Los Angeles Times reported.

    He spoke again Tuesday at a Murrieta City Council meeting, thanking police and others.

    "Please remember these are human beings that are fleeing the violence in their home countries," Long said. "The problem is that they need to come into this country the legal way."

    Protester Ellen Meeks said the country's identity has eroded with an influx of undocumented immigrants.

    "I just wish America would be America again because it's not, and it's not just pointed to the Hispanics," Meeks said. "Everybody needs to go through the legal ways."

    The next group of 140 undocumented immigrants is expected to arrive in Murieta on the Fourth of July.
     
  17. bobmarley

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    This is why the Repugs are going to win at least 5 Senate seats from Libs this fall??

    And now that Cotton has a +2.3 (RCP avg) over Pryor, the likelihood of a Republican majority in the Senate is very likely now too.
     
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  18. Major

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    What does any of this have to do with latino voters? Look at the states you're referring to and look at their latino populatons.

    The reason the GOP will likely win Senate seats is that these are Dems that won in red states during a wave year (2008). It has nothing to do with the latino vote. :confused:
     
  19. bobmarley

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    I keep waiting for this wave of blue that LIBS keep hyping up with the influx of latino voters.
     
  20. krosfyah

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    I know society is in a ADD mode now but nobody claimed this "wave" will happen tomorrow.

    As a leading indicator of said wave, more Hispanics took the SAT than whites. These people are not voting yet so the wave hasn't arrived yet.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/27/texas-demographic-shift-revealed_n_4003952.html

    That said, Democrats have won the popular vote 5 out of the last 6 presidential elections. ...so there's that.
     

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