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French Election: Where's Your Money?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, Mar 26, 2017.

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Who do you think will win the French election?

Poll closed Apr 23, 2017.
  1. Macron

    5 vote(s)
    35.7%
  2. Le Pen

    9 vote(s)
    64.3%
  3. Fillon

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Someone else

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
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    Pretty reasonable requests he made. He certainly isn't advocating killing anyone. And you make it sound like they are somehow justified or excused because his opinions are supposedly "bigoted hatred".
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    I didn't make it sound like they were justified. I said they are responsible and agreed with you that they were hateful. Banning the Quran and shutting down every single mosque is reasonable to you?

    If that's what you believe, then we can end this conversation because there is nothing more to discuss. You're take on anything related to freedom and civil liberties will also be viewed with a different perspective if you think those measures are reasonable.
     
  3. Raz

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    There are a lot worse individuals out there trying to kill him, for sure. But that doesn't make him a good person, not to speak of a reasonable political leader.
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    I would not personally advocate those things, but I think a case can be made for them.
     
  5. Cohete Rojo

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    Le Pen and Macron are tied at 25% in the first. 40% Le Pen and 60% Macron in the second.

     
  6. ghettocheeze

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    Before I place my wager, can someone please tell who received the prestigious douche d'or from monsieur Putin?
     
  7. generalthade_03

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    Le Pen will have enough votes to get her to the finished line. It will not make a difference though, France, Germany, Great Britain...the entire continent of Europe is fukked. You guys keep ragging on ATW but the man knows what he's talking about. White Europeans average birthrate is a little more than 1 per household. The average birthrate of an Muslim household in Europe is more than 8. You guys do the math. I'm doing everything I can on my part to make sure the same shiet won't happened here in America.
     
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    The racist, xenophobic, right winger La Pen of course. Who just so happened to meet with Putin himself recently.

    France and Germany going hard right Team Putin will completely reshape the globe along with Trump and Britain opting for far right nationalism over Liberal Democracy. (To be fair to Teresa May, at least she talks tough to Assad).

    Funny enough is all of this right wing nationalism has been set off by a flood of immigrants into Europe started by a civil war in Syria that Putin has been the muscle behind in supporting Assad.

    Russia is a pretty insignificant country (despite the nukes) but damn Putin is really good at what he does (covertly influencing global policy to curb western liberal democracy).

    This is the same guy the right wing Trump fans have a hard on for currently. What Patriots we have in the Repubican party right now and the fans that are following blindly off the cliff and dragging us all down with them. I hope they all saw the videos and pictures today of what Putin and Assad are responsible for. The innocent children being gassed to death... all while you sit there and say "he's not that bad because he helped get Trump ejected". Cowards.
     
  9. Cohete Rojo

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    It's interesting to think that as the political reality of an Assad-only Syria sinks in, that the likelihood of refugees returning to Syria becomes more unlikely.

    Europe essentially has a few million new residents. I wonder if many of these Europeans ever counted on that.
     
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    Putin is much better at sowing global distrust than managing his own country.
     
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    I find Le Pen's monetary ties to Russia interesting. Apparently her campaign is financed by loans from Russian banks with ties to the Kremlin.
     
  12. Cohete Rojo

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  13. Raz

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    To get back to topic. Today is the French election, up to four candidates have realistic hopes to make it to the second ballot. Most votes will probably go to independent candidate Macron and nazi Le Pen.

    First results are expected at around 20:00 CET.

    EDIT:
    Quick view on the candidates:

    Marine LePen: Nazi, daugther of an open nazi, wants France to exit from Euro, EU and Nato, preaches protectionism and nationalism.

    Emmanuel Macron: Former banker and Secretary of Commerce, pro-european, independent candidate.

    Francois Fillon: Conservative candidate, experienced in politics but had several scandals lately, created well-paid government jobs for his wife and kids they weren't really executing.

    Jean-Luc Mélenchon: Radical left, promises economic growth via high investments and therefore massive wage increases.

    Benoît Hamon: Socialist party of current's president Francois Hollande. Probably has no chance, lots of traditional socialist voters gave Macron their support.
     
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    LePen is not a nazi, but she is a nationalist and socialist in the true meaning of those words.

    She is for a massive welfare state, massive wealth redistribution, protectionist trade policies.

    She's basically Bernie Sanders with a more restrictive immigration policy.
     
  15. fchowd0311

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    No there can't. No reasonable case can be made.
     
  16. Raz

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    Haha, good one. Can't remember Bernie speaking about the preservation of national identity, being supported massively by Russia and planing the re-introduction of death penalty.

    Just because she took on a more moderate mask doesn't make her less a nazi. Her whole agenda is full of xenophobic and nationalistic propaganda.
     
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  17. B-Bob

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    Heard a long interview with various French people yesterday and it sounded just like Americans before our election last year. "Our politics sucks." "I can't believe this is the best our country can do." "I might not vote for anybody. Too depressing."

    All of that helps LePen, just like it helped Trump. A group of zealots + the irrational + the easily confused elect your leader, while lots of people just shrug and sit out the election.
     
  18. AroundTheWorld

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    Yes, there can. Japan is doing quite well doing almost that. Every country in the world would be better off if the Quran and mosques did not exist.
     
  19. Commodore

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    results coming in at 1PM Central time

     
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    I guess that's true if you define NOT banning Islam or mosques and allowing free choice of religion as being almost the same as banning it.
     
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