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Fire Bill O'Brien

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by DonnyMost, Sep 23, 2016.

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Should we fire Bill O'Brien?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Abstain (for the moment)

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  1. DatRocketFan

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    sure sure 30-1 and look how he fares in playoffs? This mindset does great against normal teams, but in playoffs u need to be aggressive. Being passive and conservative is just asking for the L
     
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  2. DonnyMost

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    That stat makes me laugh because it's a perfect way to ignore the problems and just pretend everything is cool. It's "VY JUST WINS" coaches version.

    30-1 when leading at halftime.... that means he's 11-37 when either tied or trailing at halftime.

    Going further, winning when you have a halftime lead can mean your defense is salty AF, which ours has typically been during O'Brien's entire tenure.

    Maybe if BOB's offense didn't blow nard we'd go into halftime with more leads?
     
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  3. Mr. Clutch

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    With those QBs OBrien brought in, they made the playoffs with a bottom 10 offense and top 10 defense

    Which is exactly how they are doing it this year.

    Obrien has Watson, why is the offense still ranked in the 20s?

    They only sucked last year because the defense dropped off due to injuries. The offense under OBrien has been consistently mediocre and after last game I don't see much improvement in his 5th year.
     
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  4. DatRocketFan

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    I can't see how u do not see Texans with Fitzpatrick, savage, and Osweiler as our qb not being sht years. Sure we got into playoffs, but we got sht on. People would like to blame those sht qbs as our downfall, but our hc was also present and leading the team on offense.
     
  5. DatRocketFan

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    The Bob's fans will always have an excuse to why he shouldn't be fired, the first 1-3 years he had sht qb, last year his franchise qb got hurt, this year our oline sucks. We are winning, but some of us aren't holding this hc accountable, he's literally relying heavily on defense while coasting with offense. He has shown that he can call up exotic offensive plays, but he chooses to turtle and not trust his franchise qb.

    Last game five field goals, the fk is this offense. Defense can't bail Bob forever.


    There has been a slight improvement to pts/game, this is the highest output of points/game for the season at 25.2.

    23.3, 21.2, 17.4, 21.1. (2013 to 2017)

    Kinda pathetic for an offensive guru.
     
  6. Hey Now!

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    I assume this is DVOA? Because they’re actually 12th in scoring & yards by traditional metrics. Watson is ranked 7th in qb rating; 10th in QB DVOA.

    BTW, do you realize they’ve played - & beaten - the #2, 3, 5, 7 and 9 defenses (by DVOA)? (#11, too, for good measure.)
     
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  7. JayZ750

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    Of note the AFC representative has been either Patriots or Broncos the last 5 years.

    If we go back to 1995 ... so what 23 seasons or so, the only teams to represent the AFC have been Patriots, Broncos, Steelers, Colts, Ravens with the Titans and Raiders slipping in their once.

    The Patriots are still good. The Steelers will be in the playoffs. The Ravens will probably be in the playoffs. Or if not the Colts or Broncos.

    It’s a strange lack of parity that doesn’t make one want to pick a team like the Texans as true contenders. Can’t blame that mindset imo.
     
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  8. Mr. Clutch

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    That stat also means he's trailed at halftime in 45 out of 76 games
     
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  9. Mr. Clutch

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    12th in scoring without taking out the 3 defensive TDs plus the favorable field position from good defense and special teams plus overtime scores.

    Dvoa accounts for those things as well as opponent defense
     
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    Coach of the Year
     
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    I'm glad fans don't make the decisions around here. Hell, I'm kind of glad I don't have to listen to people calling into local sports radio to complain about O'Brien.

    We're in the midst of the greatest run in team history, and O'Brien is going to be top 3 in coach of the year. He's done some great things that many here don't realize or give him credit for (switching to some zone blocking, running to take pressure/hits away from Watson, team building/chemistry building, etc), but apparently that doesn't matter.


    I wonder who this perfect coach some of you guys want is?
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    The complaints are that BOB adds nothing to the team, not that people aren't happy with the success that the team is falling into. Last week the Texans played one of the worst teams in the NFL and BOB's amazing offense managed a grand total of 1 TD. Sure the team managed to win easily, but how could any sane person have faith in the Texans' offense with BOB at the helm? When you play one of the worst defenses in the league and the defense scores as many TD's as your offense, it says that your offense isn't very good.

    If our expectations are merely to make the playoffs and be an easy out, that shouldn't bother anyone but if you are setting your sights higher, it's absolutely a concern. BOB has outright cost the team multiple games this season and quite nearly cost him 2 or 3 more. You can't have that in the playoffs.
     
  13. Mr.Scarface

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    Shows u how uninformed you are. Browns have a top 10 defense...despite their record. Every team has games where the Kicker is the MVP. Texans have been very good in the redzone during this streak.
     
  14. Bobbythegreat

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    I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not but the Browns have given up the 3rd most yards and 9th most points, they'd be even worse if they didn't have a lot of interceptions.
     
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    Should have clarified. Since the coaching change....
     
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    Yeah but that was only 3 games and they still gave up an average of 24 points per game, which sure is better than the 26 points per game they average, but it's not THAT much better and it's certainly not top 10. Hell if you include the Texans game that average since the coaching change is 25.5 points per game which is even closer to the average. I think it's more accurate to say they had a pretty good defensive game against the Falcons than it is that they are a good defense.

    Still, if we want to be incredibly polite and call the Browns a mediocre defense, the Texans still should have been able to score more than 1 offensive TD against them with the weapons the team has on offense.

    That said, all will be forgiven if the Texans come out and hang 40+ on Indy this weekend.
     
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  17. Mr.Scarface

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    29 points is 29 points. Coaches factor in lead when trying to finish off a game. Kicking FG extends leads......it happens.
     
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    That's a valid point, but I think the fear is that when the Texans go against better offenses they'll need to rely on the offense to score and BOB's play calling and he's already cost the team a few games and could have easily cost them a few more if not for just getting lucky. Given the weapons on offense, you'd expect the team to be scoring more and it's just not.
     
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    Coaches that fail to adapt, or remain fixed in their ways, rarely last in this league.

    The Texans showed for the first 5 weeks that if they wanted to keep dropping Watson back to pass more than 40 times/game... there was very little chance he would last as long as he has thus far, thus ending any potential chance of post-season success.

    They don't have the personnel to just be pass-happy... not without establishing the run first. That may change with more additions to the O-line, even though any solid defense can eventually figure out a way to stop the most pass happy of teams.

    Flexibility in a game plan is paramount to being able to last awhile in this game.
     
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    24th in points per red zone possession, and 25th in TDs per red zone possession. That is not ideal.

    11th in TO/drive, 16th in points/drive

    We are surprisingly 3rd in the league in average starting position fielding kickoffs, and 1st in the league defending. Special teams have definitely improved.

    Defensively: 3rd in points/drive, 2nd in line of scrimmage/drive, 28th in points/red zone appearance & 27th in TD/red zone appearance (what the **** is up with this?). This is also not ideal.
     
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