[ESPN] 2012 NBA Player Rankings

If you take "the big three" out of the equation, Rondo is John Wall. WIthout hops.

I have the opposite evaluation of TP. After seeing him play in the finals against the cavs, I thought he was going to have 23 ppg/7 apg type numbers. He didn't because Pop's guys don't care about individual stats, or even max salaries. He sacrificed individual numbers for rings.

TP will never be a fantasy nerd favorite, but he's a great player who could've put up huge numbers (like Deron is doing now) for mediocre teams, but obviously made the wise choice of becoming a HOFer on a dynasty caliber franchise.

 

Per that list The Lakers have 4 top 20 players, it's insane how they managed to pull it off, at least they aren't clear cut favorites yet.

 

No never. Howard is second to LBJ in terms of being able to singlehandedly impact the game. I put KD above him though KD is on his way to having a 50/40/90 season.

 

This.

 

Sad, but true. Hate watching that goof trip over his own two feet, though. Howard makes Shawn Bradley look like a ballerina.

KD absolutely deserves the 2 spot. He was healthy the entire season, incredibly consistent, improved significantly over last season and had his team in the hunt in every game in the finals.

I would absolutely take KD over Howard, who is a proven knucklehead and a seriously disruptive force, not just on his own team but league-wide.

 

I think it should be:
1. LeBron
2. Howard.
3. Kevin Durant
4. CP3
5. Kobe Bryant

But they already have Bryant at 6, so it'll prob be Rose at 5. They'll probably put KD at 2 as well, though Howard is a clear #2 to Lebron IMO.

Howard carried his ****ty team single-handedly to the Finals, same as LeBron carried that horrible Cavaliers team. KD had a lot of help getting to the Finals.

 

and former Top 30 players like WP and Jamison but it comes down to the system, they could disrupt each other as easily

 

Final list below. Enjoy. Debate. Do whatever.

Spoiler

500. Eddy Curry(493)
499. Kent Bazemore(NR)
498. Shan Foster(NR)
497. Solomon Alabi(497)
496. Hollis Thompson(NR)
495. Diamon Simpson(NR)
494. Blake Ahearn(NR)
493. D.J. Kennedy(NR)
492. Tadija Dragicevic(NR)
491. Robert Sacre(NR)
490. Mikki Moore(NR)
489. Darryl Watkins(NR)
488. Derrick Byars(NR)
487. Brian Scalabrine(449)
486. Tornike Shengelia(NR)
485. Khris Middleton(NR)
484. Greg Smith(NR)
483. Kevin Murphy(NR)
482. Morris Almond(NR)
481. Mike Scott(NR)
480. Donald Sloan(NR)
479. James White(NR)
478. Xavier Silas(NR)
477. Vernon Macklin(498)
476. Juwan Howard(334)
475. Walker Russell(NR)
474. Cory Higgins(NR)
473. Julyan Stone(NR)
472. Mike Bibby(307)
471. Courtney Fortson(NR)
470. Jerome Dyson(NR)
469. Alan Anderson(NR)
468. Lester Hudson(496)
467. Kris Joseph(NR)
466. Mickell Gladness(NR)
465. DeAndre Liggins(479)
464. Terrel Harris(NR)
463. Jared Cunningham(NR)
462. Orlando Johnson(NR)
461. Travis Leslie(457)
460. Victor Claver(NR)
459. Bobby Simmons(428)
458. Cory Joseph(434)
457. Jordan Williams(475)
456. Darius Johnson-Odom(NR)
455. Darius Morris(473)
454. Dexter Pittman(437)
453. Hassan Whiteside(470)
452. Lance Thomas(NR)
451. Jamaal Magloire(390)
450. Jerome Jordan(NR)
449. Justin Harper(455)
448. Quincy Acy(NR)
447. Bernard James(NR)
446. Matt Carroll(379)
445. Tyler Honeycutt(433)
444. Trey Thompkins(451)
443. Hasheem Thabeet(376)
442. Damien Wilkins(351)
441. Kim English(NR)
440. DeSagana Diop(417)
439. Damion James(352)
438. Chris Wright(NR)
437. Pablo Prigioni(NR)
436. Brian Cook(378)
435. Cartier Martin(432)
434. Mike James(NR)
433. Miles Plumlee(NR)
432. James Singleton(NR)
431. Luke Walton(318)
430. Dan Gadzuric(356)
429. Festus Ezeli(NR)
428. Sean Williams(NR)
427. Kyle O'Quinn(NR)
426. Daniel Orton(431)
425. Darius Miller(NR)
424. James Anderson(346)
423. Ish Smith(424)
422. Elliott Williams(452)
421. Jeff Pendergraph(NR)
420. Erick Dampier(302)
419. Eduardo Najera(367)
418. Jerry Stackhouse(359)
417. Tyshawn Taylor(NR)
416. Jeffery Taylor(NR)
415. Mirza Teletovic(NR)
414. E'Twaun Moore(458)
413. Jeremy Pargo(NR)
412. Armon Johnson(419)
411. Christian Eyenga(377)
410. Evan Fournier(NR)
409. Will Barton(NR)
408. Sundiata Gaines(402)
407. Kyle Singler(446)
406. Shawne Williams(303)
405. Lance Stephenson(369)
404. Malcolm Lee(429)
403. Josh Harrellson(491)
402. Brian Cardinal(326)
401. Luke Babbitt(404)
400. Arnett Moultrie(NR)
399. Tony Battie(362)
398. John Jenkins(NR)
397. Johan Petro(373)
396. Shelvin Mack(469)
395. Quincy Miller(NR)
394. Jeremy Tyler(441)
393. Shelden Williams(338)
392. Samardo Samuels(393)
391. Jason Collins(383)
390. Cole Aldrich(425)
389. Fab Melo(NR)
388. JaJuan Johnson(407)
387. Doron Lamb(NR)
386. Jonny Flynn(262)
385. Luke Harangody(342)
384. A.J. Price(324)
383. Lazar Hayward(409)
382. Jannero Pargo(345)
381. Dominique Jones(375)
380. DeMarre Carroll(NR)
379. Tony Wroten(NR)
378. Andrew Nicholson(NR)
377. Andrew Goudelock(478)
376. Dominic McGuire(382)
375. Royal Ivery(418)
374. Maurice Evans(320)
373. Ronnie Price(298)
372. Greg Oden(184)
371. Jimmy Butler(NR)
370. Charles Jenkins(448)
369. Sebastian Telfair(322)
368. Derrick Brown(399)
367. Jon Brockman(337)
366. Tobias Harris(447)
365. Moe Harkless(NR)
364. Terrence Williams(323)
363. Jon Leuer(465)
362. D.J. White(387)
361. Yi Jianlian(280)
360. Chris Singleton(360)
359. Quincy Pondexter(385)
358. Chris Duhon(282)
357. Sasha Pavlovic(423)
356. Marquis Teague(NR)
355. Troy Murphy(263)
354. Jamario Moon(NR)
353. Alexey Shved(NR)
352. Darko Milicic(256)
351. Earl Clark(NR)
350. Devin Ebanks(396)
349. Gary Forbes(332)
348. Travis Outlaw(271)
347. Jamaal Tinsley(NR)
346. Ryan Hollins(309)
345. Kelenna Azubuike(NR)
344. Wayne Ellington(364)
343. Reggie Jackson(422)
342. Jeremy Evans(430)
341. Von Wafer(325)
340. Chris Wilcox(330)
339. Jae Crowder(NR)
338. Nolan Smith(394)
337. Jordan Hamilton(380)
336. Donte Green(287)
335. Anthony Parker(259)
334. Draymond Green(NR)
333. Larry Sanders(333)
332. Kwame Brown(304)
331. Earl Boykins(272)
330. Meyers Leonard(NR)
329. Vladimir Radmanovic(315)
328. Xavier Henry(299)
327. Kyrylo Fesenko(310)
326. Ryan Gomes(234)
325. Kurt Thomas(254)
324. Donatas Motiejunas(386)
323. Earl Watson(295)
322. Wesley Johnson(245)
321. Toney Douglas(193)
320. Gilbert Arenas(172)
319. DeShawn Stevenson(229)
318. Marcus Morris(344)
317. Byron Mullens(462)
316. Ronny Turiaf(247)
315. Josh Selby(411)
314. Hamed Haddadi(384)
313. James Johnson(355)
312. Ivan Johnson(NR)
311. Terrence Jones(NR)
310. Raja Bell(265)
309. Patty Mills(316)
308. Willie Green(276)
307. Terrence Ross(NR)
306. Perry Jones(NR)
305. Jimmer Fredette(273)
304. Josh McRoberts(250)
303. Ben Wallace(227)
302. Nazr Mohammed(286)
301. Dahntay Jones(277)
300. Keyon Dooling(328)
299. Tyler Zeller(NR)
298. Dante Cunningham(311)
297. Chris Andersen(159)
296. Kendall Marshall(NR)
295. John Henson(NR)
294. Louis Amundson(257)
293. Dion Waiters(NR)
292. Martell Webster(231)
291. Marquis Daniels(293)
290. Royce White(NR)
289. Anthony Tolliver(289)
288. Derek Fisher(215)
287. Aaron Gray(281)
286. Daequan Cook(275)
285. Austin Rivers(NR)
284. Andris Biedrins(174)
283. Reggie Williams(283)
282. Nikola Vucevic(391)
281. Kevin Seraphin(435)
280. Shaun Livingston(328)
279. Trevor Booker(321)
278. John Lucas III(444)
277. Andre Drummond(NR)
276. Nate Robinson(249)
275. Sam Young(224)
274. Kosta Koufos(348)
273. Joel Przybilla(198)
272. Hakim Warrick(230)
271. Alonzo Gee(368)
270. Greg Stiemsma(NR)
269. Anthony Randolph(220)
268. Jared Jeffries(264)
267. Jeremy Lamb(NR)
266. Jan Vesely(313)
265. Baron Davis(106)
264. Francisco Garcia(233)
263. John Salmons(164)
262. Charlie Villanueva(191)
261. Jason Smith(292)
260. Brendan Haywood(202)
259. Quentin Richardson(243)
258. Al-Farouq Aminu(238)
257. Rashard Lewis(144)
256. Norris Cole(413)
255. Daniel Gibson(237)
254. Andray Blatche(147)
253. Tyrus Thomas(123)
252. James Jones(266)
251. Ian Mahinmi(336)
250. C.J. Miles(216)
249. Josh Childress(175)
248. Jodie Meeks(274)
247. Jared Sullinger(NR)
246. Gerald Green(NR)
245. Austin Daye(217)
244. Will Bynum(188)
243. Michael Redd(252)
242. Alec Burks(340)
241. Jason Maxiell(239)
240. Tracy McGrady(178)
239. Steve Blake(241)
238. Markieff Morris(349)
237. Reggie Evans(244)
236. Mike Miller(169)
235. Shannon Brown(181)
234. Jonas Valanciunas(NR)
233. Ed Davis(203)
232. Lavoy Allen(500)
231. Patrick Patterson(260)
230. C.J. Watson(258)
229. Matt Barnes(185)
228. Jason Thompson(211)
227. Beno Udrih(186)
226. Ekpe Udoh(300)
225. Marco Belinelli(228)
224. Greivis Vasquez(270)
223. Zaza Pachulia(218)
222. Bismack Biyombo(301)
221. Corey Maggette(162)
220. Timofey Mozgov(306)
219. Jordan Hill(240)
218. Jordan Crawford(210)
217. Linas Kleiza(199)
216. Josh Howard(189)
215. Thomas Robinson(NR)
214. Gustavo Ayon(NR)
213. Drew Gooden(225)
212. Brandan Wright(305)
211. Damian Lillard(NR)
210. Mickael Pietrus(166)
209. Joel Anthony(180)
208. Omri Casspi(158)
207. Amir Johnson(190)
206. Jonas Jerebko(206)
205. Enes Kanter(253)
204. Rodrigue Beaubois(183)
203. Corey Brewer(208)
202. J.J. Hickson(125)
201. Randy Foye(222)
200. Tristan Thompson(319)
199. Kemba Walker(267)
198. Matt Bonner(179)
197. Jerryd Bayless(195)
196. Anthony Morrow(209)
195. Marreese Speights(236)
194. Luke Ridnour(182)
193. Kenyon Martin(102)
192. Hedo Turkoglu(153)
191. Channing Frye(160)
190. Eric Maynor(157)
189. Aaron Brooks(118)
188. Kirk Hinrich(129)
187. Richard Hamilton(126)
186. Kyle Korver(192)
185. Vince Carter(121)
184. Gerald Henderson(242)
183. Leandro Barbosa(150)
182. Dorrell Wright(152)
181. Richard Jefferson(130)
180. Brandon Rush(269)
179. Harrison Barnes(NR)
178. Chuck Hayes(131)
177. Brandon Knight(267)
176. Steve Novak(363)
175. Carlos Delfino(200)
174. Tyler Hansbrough(122)
173. Raymond Felton(80)
172. Jeff Green(124)
171. Gary Neal(149)
170. Bradley Beal(NR)
169. Robin Lopez(163)
168. Darrell Arthur(135)
167. Ronnie Brewer(154)
166. Mike Dunleavy(141)
165. Nick Young(146)
164. Landry Fields(128)
163. Marvin Williams(165)
162. Boris Diaw(161)
161. Jarrett Jack(214)
160. Danny Green(421)
159. Delonte West(212)
158. Michael Beasley(109)
157. Jason Kidd(49)
156. Antawn Jamison(107)
155. DeJuan Blair(120)
154. Ben Gordon(111)
153. Luc Richard Mbah a Moute(151)
152. Chandler Parsons(460)
151. Stephen Jackson(77)
150. Isaiah Thomas(464)
149. Tiago Splitter(226)
148. MarShon Brooks(347)
147. D.J. Augustin(119)
146. Ramon Sessions(177)
145. Brandon Roy(59)
144. Tayshaun Prince(105)
143. Al Harrington(168)
142. Trevor Ariza(113)
141. Glen Davis(117)
140. Jared Dudley(133)
139. Derrick Williams(196)
138. Iman Shumpert(440)
137. Metta World Peace(97)
136. Samuel Dalembert(112)
135. Klay Thompson(349)
134. J.J. Barea(92)
133. Chase Budinger(170)
132. J.R. Smith(110)
131. Marcus Thornton(136)
130. Lamar Odom(44)
129. Udonis Haslem(104)
128. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist(NR)
127. Marcus Camby(74)
126. Caron Butler(87)
125. Mo Williams(127)
124. Carl Landry(116)
123. Gordon Hayward(221)
122. Eric Bledsoe(194)
121. Jason Richardson(79)
120. Kendrick Perkins(95)
119. Evan Turner(171)
118. Spencer Hawes(219)
117. Thabo Sefolosha(134)
116. Courtney Lee(176)
115. J.J. Redick(143)
114. Grant Hill(67)
113. Chris Kaman(88)
112. DeMar DeRozan(101)
111. Jamal Crawford(76)
110. Chauncey Billups(61)
T-109. Wes Matthews(100)
T-109. Jeff Teague(187)
108. Devin Harris(69)
107. Shane Battier(98)
106. Avery Bradley(393)
105. Nikola Pekovic(395)
104. Mario Chalmers(155)
103. Rodney Stuckey(108)
102. Jameer Nelson(73)
101. Emeka Okafor(71)
100. Nick Collison(115)
99. Omer Asik(156)
98. Darren Collison(94)
97. Brandon Bass(137)
96. Jose Calderon(148)
95. Kawhi Leonard(296)
94. Andre Miller(89)
93. Wilson Chandler(75)
92. Shawn Marion(63)
91. Thaddeus Young(84)
90. O.J. Mayo(93)
89. Derrick Favors(138)
88. Lou Williams(173)
87. George Hill(91)
86. DeAndre Jordan(114)
85. Elton Brand(61)
84. Kris Humphries(145)
83. Goran Dragic(201)
82. Taj Gibson(103)
81. Jason Terry(55)
80. Arron Afflalo(78)
79. Andrei Kirilenko(90)
78. Jeremy Lin(467)
77. JaVale McGee(99)
76. Kevin Martin(42)
75. Paul George(205)
74. Anderson Varejao(85)
73. Jrue Holiday(85)
72. Ersan Ilyasova(235)
71. Kenneth Faried(331)
70. Gerald Wallace(48)
69. Tyreke Evans(47)
68. Luis Scola(53)
67. Carlos Boozer(50)
66. Tony Allen(72)
65. Mike Conley(65)
64. Ray Allen(35)
63. Nicolas Batum(70)
62. Anthony Davis(NR)
61. Brandon Jennings(60)
60. Brook Lopez(51)
59. David Lee(54)
58. Andrea Bargnani(81)
57. Marcin Gortat(86)
56. David West(45)
55. John Wall(40)
54. Danilo Gallinari(68)
53. Paul Millsap(57)
52. Nene(31)
51. Kyle Lowry(66)
50. Ryan Anderson(167)
49. Greg Monroe(132)
48. Ty Lawson(64)
47. Ricky Rubio(204)
46. Monta Ellis(41)
45. Andrew Bogut(33)
44. Al Jefferson(52)
43. Amar'e Stoudemire(13)
42. DeMarcus Cousins(82)
41. Serge Ibaka(56)
40. Stephen Curry(38)
39. Danny Granger(36)
38. Eric Gordon(39)
37. Luol Deng(46)
36. Joakim Noah(42)
35. Roy Hibbert(96)
34. Zach Randolph(20)
33. Joe Johnson(32)
32. Rudy Gay(27)
31. Josh Smith(43)
30. Al Horford(25)
29. Paul Pierce(21)
28. Andre Iguodala(34)
27. Tim Duncan(19)
26. James Harden(58)
25. Manu Ginobili(18)
24. Marc Gasol (26)
23. Tyson Chandler(37)
22. Kyrie Irving(140)
21. Kevin Garnett(22)
20. LaMarcus Aldridge(23)
19. Steve Nash(14)
18. Chris Bosh(24)
17. Carmelo Anthony(12)
16. Tony Parker(28)
15. Pau Gasol(11)
14. Blake Griffin(10)
13. Andrew Bynum(30)
12. Rajon Rondo(17)
11. Dirk Nowitzki(5)
10. Deron Williams(9)
9. Russell Westbrook(14)
8. Dwyane Wade(3)
7. Kevin Love(16)
6. Kobe Bryant(7)
5. Derrick Rose(8)
4. Chris Paul(4)
3. Dwight Howard(2)
2. Kevin Durant(6)
1. LeBron James(1)

*Last years rank in parenthesis

 

I am not against Howard so high but 9.58 out of 10 with major holes in his offensive arsenal? way to go

 

Derek Fisher ahead of Royce White, lulz.