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[Eastern Conference Finals] (1)Milwaukee vs. (2)Toronto

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by J.R., May 12, 2019.

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(1)Milwaukee vs. (2)Toronto

Poll closed May 15, 2019.
  1. Bucks in 4

    1.8%
  2. Bucks in 5

    8.8%
  3. Bucks in 6

    26.3%
  4. Bucks in 7

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  5. Raptors in 7

    21.1%
  6. Raptors in 6

    28.1%
  7. Raptors in 5

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  8. Raptors in 4

    1.8%
  1. YOLO

    YOLO Member

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    before the last 3 games bud was getting nothing but praise. now he's never going to win a ship. nurse isn't winning one either btw. i guess when the bucks force a game 7, bud will be back to praise again.
     
  2. biina

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    Those that were praising him probably dont appreciate what it takes to win a competitive series. Particularly after Game 1, which Toronto could have won if Nurse had not mismanaged his rotation and burned out his players.

    Failing to make any adjustments after losses in which the opposition has implemented a scheme to gain the advantage is inexcusable. Its even more damning when he does nothing in-game as kawhi was repeatedly exploiting the Lopez switch. Instead he is content to watch his teams lead evaporate at home while saving his energy for when the Refs fail to call a meaningless last minute deliberate foul.

    I had said it earlier (when discussing Bud for coach of the year) that I have never thought of Bud as an exceptional coach. He is a good coach who has done well with a very good and deep roster. The reason the bucks looked so good this year was cos Kidd was so bad last year.

    Bucks have the better squad and matchups. If they lose this ECF, it will be due to a coaching failure
     
  3. YOLO

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    bucks have the better squad and matchups is very much up for the debate. personally, I don't think so. toronto has the best player. bucks are arguably just a tad deeper.
     
  4. J.R.

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    Not necessarily, the Raptors have displayed some immense hunger to close out.

    Never happened when Lebron or DeRozan was around.
     
  6. TheGreat

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    Giannis winning MVP? Lol
     
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    These writers gonna need kneecap guards today.
     
  8. Mr. Space City

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    I don’t care hat kawhi does against the east.

    Beat the warriors then we can talk
     
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    - As good as Kawhi is, he is not a mismatch against a typical SF like Middleton.
    - Giannis is a mismatch cos he is much faster than Toronto bigs and lengthier than SFs like Kawhi
    - Bucks have the bigger and lengthier guards over the dimunitive Lowry and Van Vleet
    - Lopez, Mirotic, and Ilyasova are spread bigs who are mismatches that will force other bigs out of the paint.

    Bucks are the better squad (probably the best in the league) and it is one of the biggest knocks against Giannis for MVP
     
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  11. YOLO

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    kawhi has a mismatch on anyone on the bucks. its already been proven. hes been unguardable and the only thing slowing him down is the injury he is playing through
    giannis is getting exposed as expected, especially in these last 3 games
    bledsoe and lowry are pretty much a wash. but lowry has shown to have a higher ceiling and bledsoe has struggled even more than lowry
    their spread bigs also haven't been doing enough.

    you can have a bunch of good names on paper. that doesn't mean much if it doesn't translate to results though. you might be extremely high on the bucks but i've posted before I wasn't, not just yet. they're a good team though for sure
     
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    Where was the hunger when they were going down 0-2?

    Everyone knows Giannis lacks a jumpshot and that he is not effective when the paint is packed against him. Afterall that is why they got all those shooting bigs to spread the floor. That Toronto has been able to pack the paint without being punished from the perimeter is on Bud. More so when you consider that Kawhi, Torontos best defender, is spending significant time on Giannis. Why are we not seeing more of middleton being the focus of the Bucks offense when he has lesser defenders like Green on him?

    Toronto has tried to push the pace to negate the effectiveness of the Bucks bigs, but shockingly, the bucks are also trying to run with them -wtf!

    The buck have the better squad and favorable matchups, and were 0-2 up. If they fail to capitalize and instead lose 4 straight games, that is primarily on the manager.
     
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    No, bull. There’s no shame and no fault for either team to lose this series. It will be a matter of Kawhi and role players playing better as well as some very solid coaching adjustments. Bud is still a very good coach and frankly Giannis has been outplayed by Kawhi but there’s no shame in that.
     
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  15. biina

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    Seems you have a different definition of what a mismatch is.

    A mismatch is when you have an inherent advantage over your likely defender e.g.
    - Durant and Dirk are mismatches cos of their height which lets them shoot over normal perimeter ddefenders who are shorter and shooting range which makes it difficult for taller player (typically centers) to guard them as they are not used to being on the perimeter
    - Lebron is a mismatch cos of his size, speed, ball handling and strength. Pick any defender from 1-5 and Lebron has an inherent advantage.
    - Curry shooting 3s from halfway is not a mismatch against a typical guard. He is just a great shooter.
    - Harden ISOing and scoring against a typical SG is not a mismatch. Harden is just a great scorer.

    Similarly, Kawhi is not a mismatch against Middleton. He is a better offensive player than Middleton is a defender, which enables to get his points, but that does not equate to a mismatch. A mismatch occurs when the Bucks are stupid enough to switch Lopez or Ilyasova on him 1v1 cos he is much faster than those bigs who are not used to being on the perimeter.

    There is nothing being exposed about about Giannis. Everyone and there mother knows he doesnt have a jumpshot which is why many teams have tried to pack the paint against him. The conundrum is why Bud insists on having him run into those walls when nothing has been done to draw out those players from the paint.

    Bledsoe and Lowry are not a wash on paper, as bledsoe is the bigger and stronger player. Same with Hill and Brogdon. If all those matchups are not being exploited, then its on the coach.

    The Bucks bigs are less effective cos they are spending effort running up and down the court and guarding Kawhi on the perimeter. Again the lack of adjustment for this is on the coach.

    If what you have on paper is not translating to the court, the first person to be questioned should be the coach.
     
  16. YOLO

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    a mismatch is when Kawhi can score whenever he wants. and that goes for any elite player. Nobody on the bucks is stopping him and yeah that goes for Middleton. you can choose to look at "mismatch" any way you want.

    Who cares if bledsoe is bigger and stronger. that doesn't mean anything. hes sucked this series. you're right im giving bledsoe too much credit. its not a wash. lowry has just been better than him. thats my mistake.

    alot of yall put way too much stock into adjustments. the bucks have been outplayed by the raptors these last 3 games
     
  17. biina

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    I am sorry but your personal definition of 'mismatch' doesnt count. As great a scorer as MJ was, he was never considered a mismatch in the SG position. But feel free to live in your own fantasy world with your own definitions.

    But then you also dont see the importance of matchups and adjustments in a competitive series. That renders further discussion pointless.
     
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  18. YOLO

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    yeah you telling me whether something counts or not has no bearing whatsoever. who are you again?

    definitely not much to be taken seriously here.
     
  19. Mr. Space City

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    I never heard of Mallory Edens before last night, but I seen she had a video dissing Harden, so Go Raptors.
     
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  20. Easy

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    Winning is the only chance Kawhi will stay in Toronto and not go to the West, especially LA. So I'm rooting for the Raptors.
     
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