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documented cases of voter fraud committed by Trumpers

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    Pro-Trump groups in at least five states sent the government forged certificates of ascertainment declaring Trump the recipient of the state’s 2020 electors.



    There were forged documents created by Trumpers from Az, Mi, Wi, Pa, Ga purporting to be electors;
    they were stupid/brazen enough to signed their names on the fake documents and sent them to the national archives.

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    The National Archives shared the forged documents with state officials, informing them it would not accept the fakes. The Mi AG / Sec of State have referred these fake documents to the Federal prosecutors for investigation;
    They have also confirmed that they and their staff met with the Jan. 6 committee this past November
     
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    lol, these guys are geniuses…IQ is off the charts…
     
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    is that a felony?
     
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    Lock them all up.
     
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    Losers going to be losers
     
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    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    The GOP always projects onto the Dems what they themselves are doing.

    Go look at McConnels poll numbers versus his actual win....very fishy.

    DD
     
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    It’s Long Past Time to Prosecute Phony GOP Electors
    The individuals who signed and transmitted fraudulent Electoral College ballots
    claiming their states voted for Donald Trump must be held to account.​


    The phony Trump electors from each of the five states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Wisconsin — certified that they were, in fact,
    the 'duly elected and qualified Electors for President and Vice President of the United States of America' from their respective states. Those representations were lies.

    The individuals who signed the documents certifying that they were the 'duly elected and qualified' electors from their states were not. Their certificates were fraudulent, full stop.

    The signing and transmission of the phony certificates were also stand-alone crimes in and of themselves, committed in broad daylight and easily prosecuted.
    These phony certifications were not isolated, one-off events. They were highly coordinated.
     
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    Trump campaign officials, led by Rudy Giuliani, oversaw fake electors plot in 7 states

    Giuliani and his allies coordinated the nuts-and-bolts of the process on a state-by-state level. There were multiple planning calls between Trump campaign officials and GOP state operatives, and that Giuliani participated in at least one call. The Trump campaign lined up supporters to fill elector slots, secured meeting rooms in statehouses for the fake electors to meet on December 14, 2020, and circulated drafts of fake certificates that were ultimately sent to the National Archives.

    Trump and some of his top advisers publicly encouraged the "alternate electors" scheme in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, Nevada and New Mexico. But behind the scenes, Giuliani and Trump campaign officials actively choreographed the process,

    The scheme was integral to Trump's plan to get then-Vice President Mike Pence to throw out Biden's electors and replace them with the GOP electors on January 6 when Congress counted the electoral votes. It has also come under renewed scrutiny by the January 6 select committee and state attorneys general, raising questions about the involvement of Trump's campaign and whether any laws were broken.
     
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    Michigan GOP co-chair said Trump campaign asked for GOP fake-elector push

    Michigan Republican Party Co-Chairwoman Meshawn Maddock said former President Donald Trump's campaign had encouraged the effort to challenge the 2020 results by a group of 16 Republican fake electors.

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    CNN is in possession of a recording w Maddock saying ""We fought to seat the electors, "The Trump campaign asked us to do that."

    News of the recording came two days after Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel told reporters     she believes there's "absolutely" enough evidence to bring criminal charges against the 16 Republicans who signed the false certificate on Dec. 14, 2020.
     
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    GOP Congressman Scott Fitzgerald, then Majority Leader of the Wisconsin State Senate, played significant role aiding the fake presidential electors.


    Records from the State Senate Sergeant at Arms indicate that staff from then-Senator Fitzgerald’s office reserved meeting space from 10:00am to 2:00pm in the Senate Parlor and Room 201SE, in the Capitol, on behalf of the Republican Party of Wisconsin (RPW).

    The meeting space in the Capitol was for a slate of 10 Republicans purporting to be the authorized presidential electors from Wisconsin to meet and produce fraudulent documents claiming (falsely) that the 2020 Election in Wisconsin was won by Donald Trump.

    WI State Sen. Chris Larson released the following statement in response to this revelation:

    “If Congressman Fitzgerald did indeed provide the meeting space in our State Capitol where 10 partisans conspired to defraud our democracy, he must explain why he did so.

    “The Congressman owes it to his constituents and the American people at large to condemn the actions of the fraudulent GOP electors. Failing to do so is an admission that he supports their attempt to overthrow the legitimate election of President Biden, including Wisconsin, which Biden won by nearly 21,000 votes.

    “As lawmakers, we have a special responsibility to respect the outcome of our elections, and by seemingly assisting those who would undermine that process, Congressman Fitzgerald will have committed acts that betray the oath he swore when he took office.

    “Overturning a presidential election and imperiling our democracy is no small matter. Anyone and everyone involved must be held accountable or we risk inviting it to happen again, facilitating the end of our democratic republic.

    “Wisconsin remembers that after the deadly attack on our nation’s Capitol on January 6th, 2021, Rep. Fitzgerald voted against certifying the election of Joe Biden as President of the United States.”​
     
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    Feds looking at fake 2020 elector certificates for potential criminal charges, DOJ official says



    Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco said in an interview on Tuesday the DOJ is investigating fake electors supporting former President Trump during the 2020 presidential election.

    Fake documents were sent to the National Archives in December alleging electors for the Electoral College supported former Trump in seven states that President Biden had won.

    "We've received those referrals. Our prosecutors are looking at those and I can't say anything more on ongoing investigations," Monaco told the outlet.
     
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    Nevada Man Featured in GOP Ad on Voter Fraud Admits to
    Forging Dead Wife's Name on Ballot


    Donald Kirk Hartle entered a plea deal that would allow him to avoid jail time. Instead, he is expected to pay a $2,000 fine and receive the equivalent of one year of probation. His plea is scheduled for November 16.

    Hartle previously said that his wife, Rosemarie Hartle, was on a state list of active voters and had a ballot be submitted in her name and signature, but she died in 2017. His claim of voter fraud was widely used among Republicans as evidence of voter fraud, claiming that current President Joe Biden rigged the election against Donald Trump.

    Hartle was later charged with two felonies for submitting his dead wife's ballot, according to a criminal complaint filed upon his arrest. His attorney, David Chesnoff, told reporters that Hartle accepted responsibility for his actions. Hartle is currently the only person in Nevada being prosecuted on charges of voter fraud.
     
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    And not this man was only sentenced to probation. Meanwhile in a case in Tennessee a Black woman who tried to register to vote even though she was a convicted felon and register on the basis of mistaken paperwork from country officials is sentenced to 6 years of prison time.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/03/fight-to-vote-tennessee-pamela-moses-convicted
    The Black woman sentenced to six years in prison over a voting error
    Pamela Moses was sentenced to six years in prison for trying to register despite a felony conviction but officials admitted making a series of mistakes

    For the last few months, I’ve been following the case of Pamela Moses, a 44-year-old activist in Memphis who was convicted in November for trying to register to vote while she was ineligible. On Monday, Moses, who is Black, was sentenced to six years and one day in prison.

    To my eye, the case is far more complex than it seems.

    Amy Weirich, the local prosecutor, has trumpeted both the conviction and the sentence in press releases. She has highlighted that Moses has an extensive criminal record, and she told a straightforward story about Moses’ voting crime. In 2015, Moses pleaded guilty to perjury and tampering with evidence in connection to allegations that she stalked and harassed a local judge. Tampering with evidence is one of a handful of felonies that causes someone to permanently lose their voting rights in Tennessee. Nonetheless, Moses, still on probation, knowingly tried to register to vote in 2019.

    The case caught my attention for a few reasons. First, it is rare to see a prosecutor bring criminal charges against someone for election crimes, and I was curious whether this was a bona fide case of fraud or of someone who had made a mistake. Second, there has been growing awareness of racial disparities in punishments for election-related crimes. Black people such as Crystal Mason and Hervis Rogers have faced years in prison for making mistakes about their voting eligibility. White voters have received much lighter sentences for election-related crimes.

    Weirich’s office did not respond to interview requests, but the more I looked into Moses’ case, the more I realized the case wasn’t straightforward at all. Behind the scenes, Tennessee officials conceded that they had made a series of mistakes concerning Moses’ voting eligibility.

    In 2015, when Moses pleaded guilty to her felony, she says no one told her she couldn’t vote. “They never mentioned anything about voting. They never mentioned anything about not voting, being able to vote … none of that,” Moses told me last year. (She added she hadn’t discussed the case with her two sons, 24 and 13, but described it as “traumatic”.)

    At the time, election officials should have removed her from the rolls, but the court never sent election officials in Memphis the documents they needed to do so, according to a letter from an election official I obtained.

    Moses didn’t know anything was amiss until 2019, when she launched a long-shot mayoral campaign. Election officials said she couldn’t appear on the ballot because of her felony. When they began to look into her eligibility, they also realized she had never been taken off the voter rolls. Moses went to court and asked a judge to clarify whether she was still on probation, and the court confirmed that she was. What happened next is at the crux of the case against her.

    Moses did not believe the judge had correctly calculated her sentence. So she went to the local probation office and asked an officer to figure it out. An officer filled out and signed a certificate confirming her probation had ended. In Tennessee, people with felony convictions who want to vote need that document from a correction official. Moses submitted it to local election officials along with a voter registration form.

    But the day afterwards, an official at the corrections department wrote an email to election officials saying a probation officer had made an “error” on Moses’ certificate. Moses was still serving an active felony sentence, they wrote, and was not eligible to vote. The department offered no explanation for the mistake.

    Such errors are actually fairly common in Tennessee, where the voting rules are extremely confusing for people with felonies, Blair Bowie, an attorney at the Campaign Legal Center, told me. A 2017 study found that about 8% of the certificates submitted were rejected because the voters remained ineligible. Bowie said she was unaware of any voter in the state ever facing criminal charges for submitting a certificate but later turning out to be ineligible to vote.

    During Moses’ trial, prosecutors argued that she knew she was ineligible to vote when she submitted the certificate. They pointed to the fact that she submitted it even though a judge had recently told her she was ineligible.

    “Even knowing that order denied her expiration of sentence, Pamela Moses submitted that form with her application for voter registration and signed an oath as to the accuracy of the information submitted,” prosecutors wrote in their request for an indictment. “Pamela Moses knowingly made or consented to a false entry on her permanent registration.”

    “You tricked the probation department into giving you documents saying you were off probation,” the judge sentencing her said last week.

    “That seems absurd to me on its face,” said Bowie, who is involved in a challenge to Tennessee’s process for restoring voting rights. “The instructions on the certificate of restoration form are very clear to the probation officer or the clerk. They say you will check these records and you will sign off on this based on what the records say.

    “They’re saying that she tricked the probation officer into filling out this form for her. That creates a really scary prospect for people who think they’re being wrongly told they’re not eligible.”

    Moses is currently in custody and an appeal is expected. But the case highlights the byzantine maze that people with felony convictions have to go through to figure out if they can vote. And it shows the harsh consequences prosecutors can bring if people with felony convictions make a mistake.
     
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    Arizona GOP Lawmaker Bolts When Asked About Signing Fake Electoral Certificate Declaring Trump Won




    altho Jake Coffman was playing dumb about his involvement in the fake elector scam, it has been reported that the 6 Jan Commission has copies of his 5 Jan 2020 email to Mike Pence and Trump Campaign's director of Election Day operations regarding delaying the certification, awa alternate electors.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/15/jan-6-panel-issues-six-new-subpoenas/

    According to Bennie Thompson, Chair of the Commission, “The Select Committee is seeking information about efforts to send false slates of electors to Washington and change the outcome of the 2020 election,”

    The subpoenas were sent to current and former Republican officials in Pennsylvania, Arizona and Michigan as well as to two advisers to President Donald Trump.

    The Trump advisers include Michael Roman, the director of Election Day operations for Trump’s 2020 reelection campaign, and Gary Brown, his deputy director.
    Roman and Brown, according to Thompson’s letters, were “aware of, and participated in, efforts to promote unsupported allegations of fraud” and encouraged “state legislators to
    alter the outcome of the November 2020 election by, among other things, appointing alternate slates of electors to send competing electoral votes to the United States Congress.”
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    A local official in Wisconsin who served as a fake 2020 presidential 'elector' for Trump was booted out of office


    A Republican local official in Wisconsin who served as a phony presidential elector for then-President Donald Trump in 2020 lost her reelection bid on Tuesday.

    Kelly Ruh, an alderperson in De Pere, Wisconsin, was one of dozens of Republicans who put her name on a slate of fake presidential electors for Trump in the aftermath of the 2020 election, part of a wide range of efforts by state and local officials to overturn Trump's election loss in key swing states.

    Democrat Pamela Gantz, the real estate agent and poll worker who defeated Ruh for the seat, told Bolts Magazine that her "campaign was about restoring trust in our local officials and focusing on the local issues that matter to us as a community."

    Ruh was one of eight people in elected office across five states who put her name down as a fraudulent elector for Trump, according to States Newsroom. Ruh and 13 other officials listed as the "chairperson" and "secretary" of the fake slates of the electors have been subpoenaed by the House Select Committee investigating the January 6 insurrection.

    The Justice Department and several state attorneys general are investigating the fraudulent electors for possible violations of state and federal law, in addition to the House Select Committee probe.
     
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    Damn Biden with all his cheating!
     
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    Anyone guilty in a court of law of voter fraud should lose their voting rights forever.
     
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    U.S. Justice Dept delivers subpoenas in Trump fake electors probe

    The Post and the Times reported subpoenas were handed to Brad Carver, a Georgia Republican Party official, and Thomas Lane, an official who worked on behalf of Trump's campaign in Arizona and New Mexico.

    The Post said Georgia Republican Party Chairman David Shafer also received a subpoena. The Times reported that Sean Flynn, a Trump campaign aide in Michigan, was subpoenaed.​
     
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    @MojoMan they’re finally going to get those dirty liberal cheaters!
     
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