Young moderates are not winning the primaries because people do not want more of the same, I'm not sure why that is so hard to get for people. Obama ran as a progressive, he ran on flipping Washington, he won two elections. Trump ran on again, cleaning out Washington, he won. People do not want the same old politician, they want something new. Run a moderate and you can pretty much forget driving the youth vote out, which is vitally important for Dems. I think Warren beats trump, I think she speaks to middle america a lot better than Biden and her ideas will get young voters out to vote.
There's also a big thing that people forget- Youth are generally doing activism more, even if they aren't voting in the largest blocs. They are the people going to sign people up to vote, knocking on doors, phonebanking, etc. That stuff matters.
lol no you don't want more of the same but the people who vote decide. Getting support from both parties' pools in the middle areas is key. That's why moderates thrive. You're too focuses on what crazy far left people want and what young and stupid people want. This is why the DNC was content to let Bernie drum up support in the initial stages and flip it later to the moderate. They do this every damn time there is a major election.
Exactly, there's something to be said about excitement and momentum, this is what helped Trump win. Big ideas not "Oh, I'm going to be slightly different than Obama," which is what a lot of his opponents were offering like Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz. He offered big ideas and that's what excites people into voting. You don't even know what the far left is in the first place. M4A and taxing the wealthy simply isn't far left, social programs are not far left, you're too brainwashed by conservative youtube channels to really understand the political spectrum.
donald trump openly embraced socialism when he instituted protectionist trade policies/tariffs and taxpayer-funded subsidies for farmers hurt by said socialist trade policies. and are your political beliefs really the same as they were 32+ years ago? seems like trump has totally flipped many of yall so called conservatives. so-called "family values christians" who support someone who was never religious, doesnt know the bible, cheats on all his wives with p*rn stars and brags about it. so-called pro-military conservatives who support someone who said POWs are not heroic b/c they were captured. so-called fiscal conservatives who support someone who has instituted SOCIALIST trade policies and subsidies and has taken the debt and deficit to unprecedented levels. so-called reagan republicans who now take the side of a KBG thug over our own intel agencies.
Oh, to be a time-traveling fly on the wall when you were discussing the Clinton impeachment in 1999 vs. when you were whatabouting voting for Donald Trump. Considering your Originalist approach to voting and the political spectrum, I'm sure your beliefs on these two situations were exactly the same.
So your premise is that Warren is far left but you're arguing I don't know what far left is. Got it. Funny cause Obama's official seems to agree with me on this one. There is a huge woke left push and candidates are bending to get the youth energy you yourself said is important but they are forgeting that at the end of the day the country is not that pocket of far left twitterati watching their primary debates. It's way more moderate than that. Also I posted something from an Obama official bro and that's who you are disagreeing with. Not just some "youtuber" because oh dear god, god forbid people create their own media and don't suck the j*zz they're told to accept by late night tv hosts shaming the country and mainstream outlets that routinely push narratives that suit their billionaires and companies funding them. You're a moron.
No, my premise is that Warren isn't far left... I don't care what an Obama's official says lol, people act like an official of Obama reflects his views, they don't. The country is way more behind social policies than that too, polls show that time and time again that the country, even Fox news viewers, are behind that. That people aren't for the rich getting richer at their expense. People are not for that. You complain about the left going too far left but what has really happened is that the far-right as gone too far right. Trying to ban individual rights, trying to silence protestors, giving more and more money to the rich, destroying as many regulations as possible. Embracing nationalism. The far-right controls the GOP now, so much so that you think Obama is some mega-lefty when on the global scale he is moderate. Meanwhile, you go back to your youtubers, like Black Pigeon Speaks that thinks women shouldn't have the right to vote. That's where you get your information from. No wonder you think the left is so far left when you're hopped up on Tim Pool, Lauren Southern, and BPS.
One party believes in Democracy and the other party actively wants to rig elections to their benefit. No the Dems are not moving too far left. It’s a big tent party with lots of inner debate about policy, but it’s on another planet from the Right which is a minority party firmly embracing authoritarianism, nationalism, and stoking racial divisions for political gain. /Thread
Ehh........ Republicans are embracing a totalitarian form of government where the President has unfettered power and authority over everything. Democrats are embracing democratic socialism where the government has power over private actors. I am not terribly keen on either one to be completely honest. Let us see how this all plays out. I do know that I do not want extreme SC Justices.
He's a good person, but he wasn't a good President. He was mostly ineffective, and his signature achievements put him on the political spectrum as a moderate Republican. Saying he was too far Left is Republican drivel.
They've been sitting pretty after the Bush disaster.... Tax cut plus a stimulus package, two trillion dollars+ wars, one extra mega billion dollar agency for the beast, the largest energy and accounting scandal in US history, the largest collapse in stock prices since pre-Great Depression, the largest drop in residential real estate, several bank and credit failures, TARP bailouts... and yes 9/11, the largest foreign security lapse on domestic soil. But Republicans are still known for: Keeping us safe Being fiscally conservative... So then you can rebate and capitalize the savings to rent holding "job creators" Pro-business, therefore pro trickle down economy Smaller government, pro Beast-starver Lies, lies, lies for failures... Yet Obama still lost terribly in midterms and repubs took over the state and federal legislatures. Dead? Freedom Caucus rallied off those taking points. Tea Party started with outrage over Bush's TARP baitout and a stimulus package targeting the poor and recently dispossessed. What does the Freedom Caucus stand for now? Republicans rail against "identity politics" but, as a minority party, they've become The Main Identity Party. The failure of their intellectual rhetoric creates a need for that but they've added the perfect failsafe: They don't need to blame the failures on themselves (personal responsibility or accountability is sucker bait-Trump), they just blame their failures on big government. Doesn't matter if Republicans elect corrupt assholes that destroy the very institutions they swore to uphold. No, they tried. The government is still the problem... Best idea ever.
What's seriously ****ed up about this is that we all hear the line about how there's not enough money to pay for things, but we've found them for wars. We found them for tax cuts. Except it took the previous admin to be responsible enough to make those tax cuts happen in the first place. Maybe not the last one, but Trump and Con managed to pull that one out of their ass. So no, I don't think dems are moving left. They're just finally starting to move rather than talk.
"Democrats are embracing democratic socialism" is the most loaded whataboutism statement I've ever heard. Trying to equate straight up Authoritarianism with rigged elections with some whataboutism statement with Democrats & Socialism is garbage man. Sorry Nook, but I gotta call this one out. Please stop equating. You don't sound objective. You sound like an MSNBC daytime host who used to work on wall street. All of the POLICY positions that the more progressive Democrats take are distinctly different from that of the current Trump Republican extremes. Medicare for all... would have to go through CONGRESS, and pass with at least a majority of both the House & the Senate. Same with a free college bill, or a climate change bill, etc. Democratic lawmakers and presidential candidates operate within the laws of the constitution. There is nothing unlawful or unconstitutional about a PROPOSAL for Medicare for All. It is unlawful and unconstitutional to extort a foreign country in order to concoct a political hit job in order to win an election. You also have a president who could not get his #1 campaign promise fulfilled within the legislative process so he's resorting to stealing money from the military potentially illegally. That's way different than anything a Democrat would do under the rule of law. I like your posts Nook, and think you make great points often, but your call out here to try and seem objective actually is just straight up whataboutism. You can critique the Democratic party all you want without in engaging in such nonsense please.
