D&D Coronavirus thread

Sad, but probably not the first or last time someone will go to a hospital, be diagnosed with pneumonia and sent home.

SHAME ON YOU': FLORIDA WOMAN, 26, DIES OF COVID-19 AFTER HOSPITAL DIDN'T TEST HER FOR CORONAVIRUS, FAMILY SAYS
https://abc13.com/coronavirus-florida-cases-desi-rae-mcintosh-test/6320393/

 

Does that mean they'll pay for a wall?

We can probably steal brick by brick for the other one and have some spare to fix bridges and dams.

 

73,311 new cases in the US today and 962 more deaths. I bet Trump won't mention it at all.

10,219 new cases in Texas and 134 more deaths. Abbott failed us.

 

Interesting arguments... but not really.

In separate rallies, Utahns protest mask mandate and demand in-person classes

https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2020/07/15/packed-meeting-utah/

 

Thats why everyone should have an Oximeter.
Dont just depend on an overwhelmed healthcare system..get an oximeter and know yourself if you have covid pneumonia.
And then go to the hospital and demand to get admitted with proof in your hands.

I am not saying to blame the unfortunate victim , but to remind the posters here who you all are living in the virus epicentre.

Buy an oximeter.

 

from the article

Frisch said he didn't take the virus seriously until now. He wants others to not wait until it's too late.

"I was one of those 'Oh I don't need a mask, masks don't work, the social distancing thing is stupid,'" he said. "No, that is completely wrong."

It’s very unfortunate that his daughter died, but it seems like that’s what it takes for many in this country to open their eyes and realize that this isn’t a joke or some hoax.

 

don’t worry , when the (hopefully mild) case resolves he will be back on the soapbox about how it’s not even as bad as the flu... or his son will be totally asymptomatic in which case FALSE POSITIVE!!1!1!1

 

evidence that the death rate from covid has dropped

"Outcomes from intensive care in patients with COVID‐19: a systematic review and meta‐analysis of observational studies":

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/anae.15201

abstract:

The emergence of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID‐19) has led to high demand for intensive care services worldwide. However, the mortality of patients admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) with COVID‐19 is unclear. Here, we perform a systematic review and meta‐analysis, in line with PRISMA guidelines, to assess the reported ICU mortality for patients with confirmed COVID‐19. We searched MEDLINE, EMBASE, PubMed and Cochrane databases up to 31 May 2020 for studies reporting ICU mortality for adult patients admitted with COVID‐19. The primary outcome measure was death in intensive care as a proportion of completed ICU admissions, either through discharge from the ICU or death. The definition thus did not include patients still alive on ICU. Twenty‐four observational studies including 10,150 patients were identified from centres across Asia, Europe and North America. In‐ICU mortality in reported studies ranged from 0 to 84.6%. Seven studies reported outcome data for all patients. In the remaining studies, the proportion of patients discharged from ICU at the point of reporting varied from 24.5 to 97.2%. In patients with completed ICU admissions with COVID‐19 infection, combined ICU mortality (95%CI) was 41.6% (34.0–49.7%), I 2 = 93.2%). Sub‐group analysis by continent showed that mortality is broadly consistent across the globe. As the pandemic has progressed, the reported mortality rates have fallen from above 50% to close to 40%. The in‐ICU mortality from COVID‐19 is higher than usually seen in ICU admissions with other viral pneumonias. Importantly, the mortality from completed episodes of ICU differs considerably from the crude mortality rates in some early reports.
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and conclusion:

In summary, this systematic review and meta‐analysis of ICU outcome in patients with COVID‐19 found an in‐ICU mortality rate of 41.6% across international studies. There were no significant effects of geographical location, but reported ICU mortality fell over time. Optimistically, countries in the later phase of the pandemic may be coping better with COVID‐19. In the future, it is important that such outcome data are collected and reported in a more systematic manner, supplemented by clear definitions of ‘intensive care’ and including the admission criteria applied, patient status on admission and treatments delivered while in ICU. Our analysis is reassuring in that in‐ICU mortality is lower than early reports suggested.​

 

I would hope that they would drop with 5 months experience with US doctors on treating the virus. Even the tactic of proning (turning on your stomach) has helped dramatically of keeping patients off a ventilator. Plus the use of steroids and Rendimnisvir to treat. Lastly the idea of "Viral Load" being a key factor in severity could be a component as well. Wearing a mask, and generally keeping a greater distance between each other likely helps people not contract heavy viral loads like they would if someone coughed in your face. (which is what scares me about kids being major vectors.... they will spread the highest viral load to their parents by not respecting personal space).

The major issue is the symptoms being extreme enough to the point where you need to go to the hospital. I've said for awhile now that I believe the quickest ways to live with the virus for the time being so we can truly open up economically is mass at home rapid testing that can be done nearly daily, and an at home early therapeutic, or at least a therapeutic you can get through your personal doctor or at a CareNow.

We must massively cut down on the rate at which people have to go to the hospital with life threatening symptoms. Even if the mortality rate is less than 1% of ICU patients, it's still an issue that shuts down our economy if the hospitals cannot handle the high level of ICU patients and we have to shut down just to save our hospitals.

 

India reaches a million cases:

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/507785-india-reaches-over-1-million-covid-19-cases

 

How much is that because of better treatment vs different age groups getting infected? I'd assume that the percentage of seniors getting infected has dropped

 

Did this idiot actually have a change of heart or did someone in his family or a publicist (presuming retired 80s game show host have publicists?) take away his Twitter account.

 

Sociopathic anti-maskers were a problem in 1918, too

From Wikipedia:

Although there were some complaints from citizens during the initial period of mask-wearing, the new ordinance in 1919 galvanized more serious opposition and the Anti-Mask League was formed. Members of the league included physicians, citizens, civil libertarians, and at least one member of the Board of Supervisors. An estimated 4,000–5,000 citizens attended the meeting on January 25. Some members of the league wanted to collect signatures on a petition to end the mask requirement, while others wanted to initiate recall procedures for the city health officer. Members of the anti-mask league also agitated for San Francisco Mayor James Rolph, Jr., to resign if he did not repeal the ordinance. The president of the League, suffragette, attorney, and labor rights activist Mrs. E.C. Harrington, was a fierce critic of the mayor, and it has been suggested that the anti-mask league protests were politically motivated. The debate was heated. Some objections to the ordinance were based on questions of scientific data while others considered the requirement to infringe on civil liberties

In addition to complaints from the Anti-Mask League, some health officers from other cities also contended that masks were not necessary. The San Francisco city health officer criticized the secretary of the state's Board of Health for questioning the efficacy of masks, saying "The attitude of the state board is encouraging the Anti-Mask League."

On January 27, the league presented a petition, signed by Mrs. E. C. Harrington as president, to the city's Board of Supervisors, requesting a repeal of the mask ordinance. Newspapers across the world took note of the protesting organization. San Francisco lifted the mask requirement effective February 1, 1919, on the recommendation of the Board of Health.

According to medical historians, the decline in deaths from influenza in San Francisco can be partly attributed to the mandatory mask-wearing policies.
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'Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. '

 

also “There is nothing new under the sun.”

 

Crazy this is the bigger story and not the PRESIDENT retweeting it (the Covid is fake Tweet). I mean yeah, that's expected now, we all expect it, but STILL. What a world.

 

The year is important as well -- imagine how crazy things are going to be if we're still dealing with this at a high level in February 2021... (and we likely will be).