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    Because the leadership that we had leading up to and during our moon landings was far above the leadership that we have now.
     
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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/milita...tain-who-raised-alarm-about-covid-19-n1175351

    Navy relieves captain who raised alarm about coronavirus outbreak on aircraft carrier
    The Navy relieved the captain who sounded the alarm about an outbreak of COVID-19 aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt.

    By Courtney Kube and Mosheh Gains


    The Navy announced it has relieved the captain who sounded the alarm about an outbreak of COVID-19 aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt.

    Capt. Brett Crozier, who commands the Roosevelt, an aircraft carrier with a crew of nearly 5,000, was relieved of his command Thursday, but he will keep his rank and remain in the Navy.

    Crozier raised the alarm this week, sending a strongly worded letter to Navy leadership that detailed his concerns about the spread of the virus on the ship. The letter leaked to the media and generated a series of headlines.

    Speaking at a news conference Thursday evening, Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said Crozier was removed from his post because he sent the letter over "non-secure unclassified email" to a "broad array of people" rather than up the chain of command.

    "I have no doubt in my mind that Captain Crozier did what he thought was in the best interest of the safety and well-being of his crew," Modly said. "Unfortunately, it did the opposite. It unnecessarily raised the alarm of the families of our sailors and Marines with no plans to address those concerns."

    Modly insisted the that decision was his alone. He praised Crozier but said he had concluded that the captain "allowed the complexity of the challenge of the COVID breakout on the ship to overwhelm his ability to act professionally."

    "The responsibility for this decision rests with me," Modly added. "I expect no congratulations for it. Captain Crozier is an incredible man."

    In a statement, a group of top Democrats on the House Armed Services Committee sharply criticized the decision to remove Crozier.

    “The dismissal of Captain Crozier at this critical moment, as the sailors aboard the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt are confronted with the COVID-19 pandemic, is a reckless, political move that reeks of undue command influence," read the statement from chairman Rep. Adam Smith of Washington, subcommittee chairs Rep. Joe Courtney of Connecticut, Rep. John Garamendi of California and Rep. Jackie Speier of California.

    Former Vice President Joe Biden also blasted the Navy's acting secretary in a statement, saying that he "shot the messenger — a commanding officer who was faithful to both his national security mission and his duty to care for his sailors, and who rightly focused attention on a broader concern about how to maintain military readiness during this pandemic."

    The ship, which was operating in the Pacific, pulled into port in Guam last week several days after multiple crew members tested positive for the virus. By Wednesday, there were 93 positive test results, and more than 1,000 people were taken off the carrier and placed into isolation on Guam. In total, 2,700 people are expected to disembark the ship this week, with a smaller crew remaining to maintain the carrier.
     
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    We all knew it was all just a PR stunt to help Trump with his ratings.
     
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    but vicious racist baby killers get medals of honor and full honorable discharges
    presidential pardons or some such

    Rocket River
     
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    ‘It's a sh-- sandwich': Republicans rage as Florida becomes a nightmare for Trump
    TALLAHASSEE — The staggering unemployment exploding on President Donald Trump’s watch would worry any incumbent running for reelection, but troubles in Florida are injecting an added dose of fear into a jittery GOP.

    Already anxious about Trump’s chances in the nation’s biggest swing state, Republicans now are dealing with thousands of unemployed workers unable to navigate the Florida system to apply for help. And the blowback is directed straight at Trump’s top allies in the state, Gov. Ron DeSantis and Sen. Rick Scott.

    Privately, Republicans admit that the $77.9 million system that is now failing Florida workers is doing exactly what Scott designed it to do — lower the state’s reported number of jobless claims after the great recession.

    “It’s a sh-- sandwich, and it was designed that way by Scott,” said one DeSantis advisor. “It wasn’t about saving money. It was about making it harder for people to get benefits or keep benefits so that the unemployment numbers were low to give the governor something to brag about.”

    Republican Party of Florida chairman Joe Gruters was more succinct: “$77 million? Someone should go to jail over that.”

    With hundreds of thousands of Floridians out of work, the state’s overwhelmed system is making it nearly impossible for many people to even get in line for benefits.

    After a record number of claims were reported Thursday, DeSantis said the state would resort to paper applications, build a mobile app to handle the flood of traffic and deploy hundreds, even thousands, of state workers to provide stopgap help.

    Congress last week delivered relief in the form of a $2 trillion stimulus package that directs cash to the unemployed. But to get that money into the pockets of Floridians, the state will have to duct-tape the rickety web-based unemployment system to deliver it.

    It’s a monumental task. The system has had problems from its very start in 2013, and was one reason state senators refused in 2015 to confirm Scott’s pick to run the agency that manages unemployment benefits.

    The new online system was part of a series of changes designed to limit benefits. The ultimate goal — which it delivered on — was to lower unemployment taxes paid by Florida businesses. A 2011 analysis done by the Florida Legislature estimated that the changes pushed by Scott would save businesses more than $2.3 billion between 2011 and 2020.

    Now, as thousands of people try to get help, the system crashes or denies them access. Nearly 400,000 people have managed to file claims in the last two and half weeks. It’s not known how many have tried and failed.

    Most of those who do submit applications won’t qualify for aid, and the benefits that are paid out are among the most meager in the country — a maximum of $275 a week.

    “This is horrible for people. I don’t want to minimize that,” one DeSantis adviser told POLITICO. “But if we have to look past the crisis, it’s bad for the president and it’s bad for the governor.”

    “Everyone we talk to in that office when we ask them what happened tells us, ‘the system was designed to fail,’” the adviser said. “That’s not a problem when unemployment is 2.8 percent, but it’s a problem now. And no system we have can handle 25,000 people a day.”

    State auditors have routinely chronicled shortcomings with the CONNECT system, most recently in a report issued in March 2019, two months after DeSantis took office.

    Scott spokesperson Chris Hartline did not directly address complaints about the CONNECT system. But he said Scott acted to ensure the state helped only those “who truly needed the assistance.”

    “His goal was to make sure every Floridian who wanted a job could get one, and turned the program into a re-employment system so people could find employment,” Hartline said in an email. “As governor, he made investments to ensure the system worked and Florida’s unemployment insurance program is funded at record levels thanks to reforms under Governor Scott, meaning more Florida families can receive the help they need.”

    Rep. Charlie Crist, a Democrat who as a Republican governor led Florida through the last downturn, said the state’s current economic catastrophe could doom Trump in the state the president needs if he wants to win reelection.

    “If unemployment continues to go up, and if so many people stay unemployed, it’s a nightmare for the president in this state,” Crist said. “I should know. When I was governor and I was running for the Senate in the Great Recession — and there was nothing great about it — it was a nightmare.”

    An adviser to Marco Rubio’s 2010 Senate campaign didn’t argue.

    “We’ve got unemployed, pissed-off people. They can’t get benefits. And when they get them, it’s not going to be enough,” he said. “They’re there for the taking by the Democrats. We killed Charlie with the bad economy in 2010. Democrats are gonna repay the favor.”

    Gruters downplayed the idea that a “flawed system that predates the DeSantis administration” would hurt the president or DeSantis. The governor and his team are “working around the clock to address its shortcomings,” he said.

    Republicans in the Legislature share the blame, said Rep. Jose Javier Rodriguez, a Miami Democrat.

    “Rick Scott is the most culpable human being when we look at who’s responsible for the failed system,” Rodriguez said. “But I don’t know of any Republican who resisted these efforts to make Florida the most Scrooge-like state in the nation.”
    https://www.politico.com/states/flo...florida-becomes-a-nightmare-for-trump-1271172
     
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    Meanwhile, the those crazy guys at the federalist want to sacrifice NYC for the good f the economy...

     
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    i wouldn’t call it stunning but rather “consistent” if anyone had been exposed to the Federalist. It’s always kind of creepy and borderline anti-social, to me at least.
     
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    The first of more extensions of stay-at-home edicts?

     
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    Well, there is always gateway pundit...

     
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    I am surprised @Os Trigonum didn't make a thread about this.
     
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    So generous of him to do the bare minimum of his job.
     
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    When the smartest guy in the room talks...

     
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    Fauci wants everyone to stay locked down and forego their income until there are no more deaths. That is nuts. Trump can't let Fauci wreck the economy.

    Fauci is hardly infallible

     
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    Tom Cotton was maligned at the time, but he had far more foresight than the supposed expert Fauci

     
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    The Admiral trying to explain how the current process is making states outbid each other and purchasers for the vital medical equipment and supplies. He knows its wrong... he refers to abnormalities"...

     
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    Why are you defending Communist China????
     
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    "until there are no more deaths"? How did you come up with that? I think you just lied.

    It was not a major threat on 1/21.
     
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    What product is he referring to? What the heck is this "data element". The last 13 days is in reference to Jared, the master of all things new to him, taskforce.

    It sounds like they decided to move "product" into 6-7 distributors and have them move it to the states and hospitals. Maybe that's because the Fed gov supply chain were too broken to move things (what happen to our military and fema pre-staged prep?) Yea, I want to see a clear accounting of that. Transparency. No body (these middle men and their enablers) better being making a mean buck over this tragedy. And how and who decide what qty of "product" are moved to which state? If this is truly a bidding war... SMH


    Just one guy comment:

     
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