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    Homeland Security admits it’s using abhorrent conditions at detention centers to deter migration

    It isn't working and no one wins.

    Poor conditions including overcrowding, flu outbreaks, and a lack of clean clothes are just par for the course at an El Paso border station, according to a report released Monday by the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) Office of Inspector General. In the report, border patrol argues that these conditions are necessary to stem the flow of migrants to the United States.

    The report, first obtained by NBC News, detailed the conditions during a May 7 tour of a border station in the El Paso sector and found that only four showers were available for 756 immigrants. Additionally, over half of the immigrants were being held outside in the Texas heat, while the immigrants inside were being kept in cells at over five times their capacity. One cell meant for a maximum of 35 people held 155 adult males with only one toilet and sink. The cell was so overcrowded that the internal temperatures reached over 80 degrees and the men were unable to lay down to sleep.

    While border patrol processing centers are only meant for temporary stays of up to 36 hours, some migrants at this facility in El Paso reported stays of over 30 days.

    “With limited access to showers and clean clothing, detainees were wearing soiled clothing for days or weeks,” the report said.

    None of this information, however, was new to DHS. The agency had the information about the conditions at this border patrol station for months and described it in the report as “chaos.” In spite of this, nothing was done. In fact, the report clearly outlines that the poor conditions thousands are facing at the hands of the U.S. government are actually the desired outcome.

    “[Border Patrol] recognize they have a humanitarian issue with detaining single adults for so long, but believe if they do not have a consequence delivery system, either prosecution or ICE detention, the flow will increase,” the report states, laying bare the Trump administration’s true motives: maintaining horrible conditions at border patrol facilities is necessary to deter immigrants from coming to the United States.

    This logic on deterrence isn’t exactly anything new. The Obama administration began its expansion of family detention in 2014, and migrant children and families were routinely subject to freezing cold holding cells — nicknamed “hieleras” or “ice boxes” in Spanish. For example, in 2013 when 18-year-old Alexy Luis Lopez complained to officers about the temperature, one told him that maybe he should “think two times before trying to cross again.”

    “Border Patrol seems to think these brutal conditions, and the human suffering that results, will deter immigration, but the fact is that many of these people are fleeing persecution and violence, reuniting with family, or are themselves U.S. citizens,” said James Duff Lyall, an attorney with ACLU of Arizona, back in 2015. “These policies and practices serve no legitimate purpose, violate the U.S. Constitution, and offend basic American values.”

    What is different this time around, however, is the severity of the conditions and the government’s insistence on this being the state of things.

    “This is not unavoidable,” R. Andrew Free, a civil rights and immigration lawyer from Nashville, told ThinkProgress. “This is not something that is coming as a surprise to CBP leadership either. This is a phenomenon that they are well aware of. They even called it ‘chaos’ and are choosing to continue it.”

    The government hasn’t kept its position on the conditions of immigration detention quiet. Immigration attorneys allowed inside a Border Patrol facility near El Paso in Clint, Texas last week, reported children taking care of other children and living in soiled clothing. Lawyers for the federal government argued before the Ninth Circuit Court on June 18 that agencies like CBP have no responsibility to provide toothbrushes, toothpaste, and soap to migrant children in their care.

    “It’s within everyone’s common understanding, that if you don’t have a toothbrush, if you don’t have soap, if you don’t have a blanket, it’s not safe and sanitary,” U.S. Circuit Judge A. Wallace Tashima said. “Wouldn’t everybody agree with that? Do you agree with that?”

    “Well, I think it’s…. I think those are… there’s fair reason to find that those things… may be part of safe and sanitary…” Department of Justice attorney Sara Fabian responded.

    “Not maybe! Are… a part. What do you mean maybe? You mean there are circumstances when a person doesn’t need to have a toothbrush, toothpaste and soap? For days?” asked Tashima.

    “What you’re saying is that the agreement is so vague that it’s almost unenforceable,” Tashima said.

    “To some extent, yes, your honor,” Fabian conceded.

    Under a 1997 court judgment referred to as the Flores settlement, the U.S. government is required to provide a certain level of humane care to children in its custody, including that any facility must be “safe and sanitary.” Flores requires that immigrant children “accompanied” by parents have to be released within 20 days. The administration has argued that the order is too restrictive and must be overturned so that more families could be detained together for longer. Implicit in that position is that indefinite family detention will also serve as a deterrence.

    There is no evidence, however, to suggest the administration’s assertion that failing to provide humane accommodations within detention facilities deters migration.

    Since news of the conditions at several facilities became public, there has been a steady drop in the number of apprehensions at the border. While the administration is taking credit for the decrease through its border policies and tough stance on Mexico, it is in line with historic patterns of migration, which tend to decrease in the summer months due to the heat.
     
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    trump doesn't differentiate... asylum seekers are "illegal immigrants"...

     
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    Lying to immigrate to the US certainly makes them illegal immigrants. Don't want them. Don't need them.
     
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    Since you know they are all lying, please tell us the details of each case and show where the lie is.
     
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    Party before... and why I say it didn't/doesn't matter who Democrats nominate... republicans will vote for the guy with the R next to his name.

     
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    Interesting and sad study results...

     
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    From above...

    In 2017, a third of conservative Republicans said the U.S. has a responsibility to accept refugees. But today, an even smaller share (19%) says this. There has been less change among moderate and liberal Republicans: Currently, 40% say the U.S. has a responsibility to accept refugees. As was the case last year, liberal Democrats (85%) are more likely than conservative and moderate Democrats (65%) to say the U.S. has a responsibility to accept refugees.”

    Pretty big changes in just slightly over a year. Who said people don’t change?
     
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    Migrant kids in overcrowded Arizona border station allege sex assault, retaliation from U.S. agents
    Migrant children held in Yuma, Arizona, report sex assault and retaliation for protests in addition to unsanitary conditions and overcrowding.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...ation-allege-sex-assault-retaliation-n1027886
     
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    Dude, go try to live in the slums of San Pedro Sula for one day and see how you fare. I'm not saying the situation at the border is an easy solution, but dealing with all the amazingly-living heart donors who act as if these people are as scummy as our so-called President....is trying.
     
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    Inside the Secret Border Patrol Facebook Group Where Agents Joke About Migrant Deaths and Post Sexist Memes
    https://www.propublica.org/article/...s-joke-about-migrant-deaths-post-sexist-memes

    Of course, folks were shocked. And CBP leadership denounced the group...

    Border Patrol Condemns Secret Facebook Group, but Reveals Few Specifics

    The agency won’t say how many employees have been disciplined or warned in the ongoing scandal over offensive social media posts.
    https://www.propublica.org/article/...cret-facebook-group-but-reveals-few-specifics

    Well, turns out leadership knew of the groups existence...
    Border agency knew about secret Facebook group for years
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/03/border-agency-secret-facebook-group-1569572

    Well now it comes out that the head of CBP was a member of that same facebook group...
     
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    Those that participate in this intentional cruelty of treating these humans like carriers of tremendous infectious diseases ,like trump likes to say, are perfect candidates for Cartels to recruit for drug trafficking and human trafficking. The number of people that are at the border don't even compare to the amount that cross through in vehicles.
    Way too many incidents like the link I'm posting for it just to be a few bad apples. It's a systematic sh*t show.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cbp...ng-organization-keys-fences/story?id=61602268https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cbp...ng-organization-keys-fences/story?id=61602268
     
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    What Beto O'Rourke is referring to:

    Trump moves to end asylum protections for Central Americans
    https://apnews.com/6bef9ed6c48b4c2e...AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter
     
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    the so-called Christian spins

    Vice President Mike Pence toured two Border Patrol facilities on Friday, later saying
    they were “providing care that every American would be proud of.”

    Pence was effusive in his praise of Border Patrol agents, whom he referred to as “compassionate.” But instead of tamping down criticism of the Trump administration’s handling of the tide of refugees, many from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador, the photos and videos that emerged from the tightly choreographed tour further inflamed critics.

    The visit came 10 days after the release of a scathing report by the independent watchdog arm of the Department of Homeland Security on the poor conditions at migrant holding centers near the border.

    More than a dozen adult detainees have died while in custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement since the beginning of last year, according to the American Immigration Lawyers Association.
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    “It’s apparent that @realDonaldTrump & @VP have very different definitions of humane and compassionate than the rest of us,” Senator Mazie Hirono, Democrat of Hawaii, said on Twitter.
    “Let’s be clear: crowding hundreds of people in cages in sweltering heat without showers or basic necessities is neither humane nor compassionate.”






    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/13/us/mike-pence-border.html
     
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