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C.I.A.-Iraq May Be Prime Place for Training of Militants

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  1. gifford1967

    gifford1967 Contributing Member
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    Iraq May Be Prime Place for Training of Militants, C.I.A. Report Concludes
    By DOUGLAS JEHL

    WASHINGTON, June 21 - A new classified assessment by the Central Intelligence Agency says Iraq may prove to be an even more effective training ground for Islamic extremists than Afghanistan was in Al Qaeda's early days, because it is serving as a real-world laboratory for urban combat.

    The assessment, completed last month and circulated among government agencies, was described in recent days by several Congressional and intelligence officials. The officials said it made clear that the war was likely to produce a dangerous legacy by dispersing to other countries Iraqi and foreign combatants more adept and better organized than they were before the conflict.

    Congressional and intelligence officials who described the assessment called it a thorough examination that included extensive discussion of the areas that might be particularly prone to infiltration by combatants from Iraq, either Iraqis or foreigners.

    They said the assessment had argued that Iraq, since the American invasion of 2003, had in many ways assumed the role played by Afghanistan during the rise of Al Qaeda during the 1980's and 1990's, as a magnet and a proving ground for Islamic extremists from Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries.

    The officials said the report spelled out how the urban nature of the war in Iraq was helping combatants learn how to carry out assassinations, kidnappings, car bombings and other kinds of attacks that were never a staple of the fighting in Afghanistan during the anti-Soviet campaigns of the 1980's. It was during that conflict, primarily rural and conventional, that the United States provided arms to Osama bin Laden and other militants, who later formed Al Qaeda.

    The assessment said the central role played by Iraq meant that, for now, most potential terrorists were likely to focus their energies on attacking American forces there, rather than carrying out attacks elsewhere, the officials said. But the officials said Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other countries would soon have to contend with militants who leave Iraq equipped with considerable experience and training.

    Previous warnings of this kind have been less detailed, as when Porter J. Goss, the director of central intelligence, told Congress earlier in the year that jihadists who survive the continued fighting in Iraq would leave there "experienced in and focused on acts of urban terrorism," and form "a potential pool of contacts to build transnational terrorist cells, groups and networks in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other countries."

    The officials who described the new assessment said they could not be identified by name because of the classified nature of the document. The officials came from three different government organizations, and all said they had read the document.

    The officials said the document did not address whether the anti-American insurgency in Iraq was indeed in the "last throes," as Vice President Dick Cheney said recently.

    In an interview in the current issue of Time magazine, Mr. Goss is quoted as saying that he believed that the insurgents were "not quite in the last throes, but I think they are very close to it," though he did not say such a view was based on a formal intelligence assessment.

    "I think that every day that goes by in Iraq where they have their own government, and it's moving forward, reinforces just how radical these people are and how unwanted they are," Mr. Goss was quoted as saying of the insurgents. The interview was the first granted by Mr. Goss since he took over as C.I.A. chief last September.

    The officials who described the new intelligence report would not say specifically which regions of the world were described as particularly vulnerable to a spillover from Iraq. But they noted that the combatants in Iraq, whether Iraqis or foreign fighters, have primarily been Arabs who would fit in most easily in other Arab societies. Many of the combatants from Afghanistan came from South Asia and Central Asia, and many went on to campaigns in the 1990's in Chechnya, Uzbekistan, Pakistan and other locations.

    In an interview last week, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., Democrat of Delaware, said he had been told by American officials during a recent trip to Iraq that a "disproportionate number" of the foreign fighters now active there came from Saudi Arabia. A former American intelligence official who visited Saudi Arabia recently said officials there had grown increasingly worried that young Saudis who were leaving to fight Americans in Iraq, traveling by way of Damascus, the Syrian capital, would pose an increased threat to Saudi stability if and when they returned home.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/22/international/middleeast/22intel.html?pagewanted=print
     
  2. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Contributing Member

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    May be????

    :confused:

    To me, that's like saying "Water may be wet".
     
  3. Francis3422

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    If militants are training in an area where there are over 135 thousand United States troops this is good.
     
  4. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Contributing Member

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    Why? So they can practice on our soldiers before they bring their terror to the United States itself?
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    If terrorists weren't training there it would be even better.

    This says that Iraq might be a more effective training ground for them than Afghanistan was in the past.

    Afghanistan training gave us 9/11. This is more effective training. I don't see that as good.
     
  6. Oski2005

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    Hey, stop with all that "logic" nonesense.
     
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  7. No Worries

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  8. flamingmoe

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    Could the Republicans be any more divorced from reality?

    From our great Tom DeLay yesterday..


     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    has DeLay been to Iraq?
     
  10. flamingmoe

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    the last time he was there was in August 2003, so almost 2 years ago

    when the US death toll was at 289, it is over 1700 now
     
  11. mc mark

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    He's comparing Iraq to Houston???

    :eek:

    or is that the other way around?
     
  12. flamingmoe

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    more disconnect from reality...

     
  13. ima_drummer2k

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    Has anyone posting in this forum?
     
  14. No Worries

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    As an aside, just how completely useless are these daily WH briefings?

    Reporter: Scott I would like to ask you a tough question which you will not want to answer.

    Scott McClellan: Nonanswer.

    Reporter: As a followup to your nonanswer.

    Scott McClellan: Nonanswer.

    ad nauseum
     
  15. mc mark

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    Another aside from the Rumsfeld hearings today.


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    "This war has been consistently and grossly mismanaged," Sen. Edward Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat, told Rumsfeld. "And we are now in a seemingly intractable quagmire."

    "Our troops are dying. And there really is no end in sight. And the American people, I believe, deserve leadership worthy of the sacrifices that our fighting forces have made, and they deserve the real facts. And I regret to say that I don't believe that you have provided either," Kennedy added.

    "Well, that is quite a statement," Rumsfeld, flanked by top U.S. commanders, responded. "First let me say that there isn't a person at this table who agrees with you that we're in a quagmire and that there's no end in sight."

    "The suggestion by you that people -- me or others -- are painting a rosy picture is false," Rumsfeld.

    "The fact is from the beginning of this we have recognized that this is a tough business, that it is difficult, that it is dangerous, and that it is not predictable," Rumsfeld added.

    Kennedy asked Rumsfeld: "Isn't it time for you to resign?"

    ouch!
     
  16. Rashmon

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    A reading from the book of Duh:

    "A new classified assessment by the Central Intelligence Agency says Iraq may prove to be an even more effective training ground for Islamic extremists than Afghanistan was in Al Qaeda's early days, because it is serving as a real-world laboratory for urban combat."
     
  17. flamingmoe

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    more disconnect from reality:

    Vice President Dick Cheney:
    `I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.''

    vs.

    General John Abizaid:
    `I believe there are more foreign fighters coming into Iraq than there were six months ago.''
     
  18. RocketMan Tex

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    That's easy. One statement came from a man who is a General in the US Army. The other came from a chickenhawk.
     
  19. glynch

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    Sadly, the whole Iraq/ War on Terror thing reminds me of the "Drug War".

    For the most part the neocons and the other cons mean well. They really do. They are against terrorism like other folks-- like virtually all sane people are against drug abuse. It is just that their hysterical, paranoid, non-thinking, virtually purely military approach to terrorism (kill em' all, when in doubt invade countries, torture them till they quit because they aren't really human-- just evil ) tends to not be too effective in combatting terorism.
     
  20. wnes

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    If you suggest Dick Cheney is not a true neocon, then I agree.
     

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