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Bye Net Neutrality

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by wizkid83, Nov 21, 2017.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Good thing that you are in the select 1% that understands it and you are here to keep us all informed. The other 99% of us here are indebted to you.
     
  2. larsv8

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    Whelp, Tallanvor eats **** again.

    Warned over and over and over and over and over and over that this crap would start.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cox-elite-gamer-internet-fast-lane,39176.html

     
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    Again, those who fail to understand the fundamentals of the internet.

    Internet providers SHOULD prioritize low latency applications to provide a better experience. NN would not allow this. Your on demand streaming, which is being buffered, can get lower prioritization w/out causing any user experience on your end.

    ISP's already have SLAs that guarantee uptime and service... that cost 5x more than standard residential service.

    What you obsessive NN people have been screaming about is charging selective packages to access certain sites or 'throttling down' access. Most of us all agree that is wrong, nevermind it will probably never happen.

    If Cox starts to disrupt gaming applications to promote their 'fast lane', then that is completely unacceptable and they will absolutely face lawsuits.

    I will agree this can lead to bad things down the road, but for now, I have no issue with this. Cox will face backlash for this.
     
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    I'd hazard without any discrete data that it's mostly 5G adoption doing the heavy lifting for the increase.

    That could be considered progress, I guess...
     
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    Now we are just losing to Chinese in 5G because they can roll it out better
     
  8. Space Ghost

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    Who is even using 5G? Do you even know what it is?

    Although I have been critical of Google Fiber, they played a major part. Hardware costs have significantly dropped which has allowed ISP's to upgrade old antiquated equipment. ISP's are now running FTTx. Those in densely populated areas often have 2 options for gigabit speeds. ISP's have continually upgraded speeds at no cost.

    There is a reason why we never hear about NN anymore. People have come to the conclusion the NN fear was largely unfounded. The most powerful tech companies know they are better off with free access to the internet. The government feels the same way.
     
  9. tallanvor

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    How are there still people defending NN? you got duped by some chicken littles. get over it.
     
  10. KingCheetah

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    Interesting.
     
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    https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/9/2...-was-repealed-a-year-ago-whats-happened-since

    When the Trump FCC repealed the 2015 Open Internet Order, it didn’t just eliminate the prohibitions against blocking and throttling and paid prioritization. So in other words, these were things that Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, and Charter were not allowed to do. They were not allowed to control your internet experience, but it also gave away oversight over the broadband industry. The FCC abdicated its responsibility to protect consumers and competition in the broadband market. That is the most important thing that happened on December 14th, 2017 when the FCC repealed the Open Internet Order.

    ...

    The first thing that happened, and this is not insignificant, is about a year ago during the worst fire in California history, Verizon was throttling the Santa Clara County Fire Department’s broadband. And Verizon and the fire department engaged in a seven month discussion over whether Verizon ought to be throttling the fire department’s broadband in the middle of huge forest fires and eventually what Verizon said was they would stop throttling the broadband if the fire department paid more than double of what they were paying before for broadband and the fire department had no place to go. They can’t go to the FCC because the FCC abdicated their authority over broadband. They wouldn’t go to the FTC because they take forever to adjudicate complaints. So if Verizon throttles your broadband, there’s nothing they can do about it.

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    The third thing is what happened with Frontier Communications. They’re mostly in rural areas, but also in California. They’re not a beloved company. I’ll be very frank with you. What happened was, a customer bought his own router for two hundred dollars and Frontier kept charging him ten dollars a month to rent it. So this customer complained to the FCC and the FCC told Frontier they had to respond to this complaint and Frontier basically said, “Too bad. This is a charge we make and you have to continue to pay it.” So basically, the FCC is delegating their oversight of the broadband industry to the broadband industry. They answered you so, goodbye, they have more important things to do.

    When I say they’ve abdicated their responsibility and the repeal of the 2015 Open Internet order allowed them to do that, those are the deep cuts I’m talking about. And those are no joke.
     
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    This is just some heart strings crap, they were paying $40 for a plan that would get shaped after 25GB, they happened to cap out during those fires, so verizon's automated system kicked in, sure they could have complained using those rules, but they wouldn't have gotten anywhere because it was perfectly reasonable, removing a method of complaint that had no chance of success, and pulling a but mah fires crap. The fault of this one is the fire department's.


    Sure this one is on the company, it could be part of why they're filing for bankruptcy.....screwing over your customers and trying to rub it in their face is hardly a winning long term strategy (unless you're a bank :p)

    The government really isn't necessary to manage every part of everyone's lives, and if the worst examples of cherry picked cases are $10 a month on a bill and a fire department getting shaped for using too much data, it really is a monumental waste of money having the federal government manage it.
     

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