As an A&M alum...I have no love for the Fighting Irish. That being said...since Notre Dame means "Our Lady," and refers to the virgin Mary...I'd appreciate it if you could find another way to rag on their school. I know you didn't mean it that way...thanks for understanding my point though.
Refman, I said the word OVERALL. That means, academics, athletics, etc. I'm sorry, but we are most well rounded school in the state, and it's nothing personal. And know you will not win with us playing for a Fiesta Bowl berth in Austin this year, well it could happen, but highly unlikely if you ask me. And it is an insult to call us TU, I really don't care how you spin it, for someone who preaches acting with class, thats surely a good way of showing it. Yes, what is good for the goose is good for gender as I do call you guys A and Suck, fig em gaggies etc, so I understand, but don't you dare think it isn't disrespectful. Its all part of the rivalry, and it will remain that way as long as I'm alive so I don't hate for it, but of course it pisses me off.
I would say A&M is more inclined to win <b>big</b> games than Texas, but obviously they're not better right now. As far as the whole TU thing, I'm not going to use that, but I most certainly am not going to call them the University of Texas or UT ...I mean, be serious. I'll simply call them Texas. If it was the other way round, and your rival was called <b>THE University of Texas</b>...you'd have a problem saying it too.
When was the last time A&M beat a top 10 team before yesterday? I'm trying to think of Texas' record in '99 cause we beat # 6 A&M in '98. You've been following A&M football closer than I have, but I would not say either team has been clutch.
1998 - Nebraska was ranked #2 when the Aggies beat them 1998 - Kansas State was ranked #1 when the Aggies beat them in the Big 12 Championship game. 1999 - Texas was ranked #5 when the Aggies beat them 2000 - Kansas State was ranked number 8 when the Aggies beat them 2002- Oklahoma was ranked number 1 when the Aggies beat them And you also have to remember that through the majority of these years the Aggies overall talent level was not on the same level as the Longhorns. I'm not saying the Aggies are some great big-game team, but compared to the Longhorns I don't think there's any question the Aggies take their play to a higher level in the big game than Texas does.
I'm guessing that you haven't familiarized yourself with academics at A&M...so you're not really qualified to make that statement. Sure you guys have the edge in athletics AT THE MOMENT. The bottom line is that A&M offers the same programs that Texas does...the Board of Higher Education saw to that. The only real difference is at the graduate level. Texas has a great law school. A&M has a top flight vet school...looks like a wash to me. I readily state that Texas is a fine educational institution. So is A&M...you may wish to consider removing your burnt orange blinders for a moment to see that. I will be shocked if a Fiesta Bowl berth is on the line. Anything could happen...but I think you are kidding yourself. There is a difference between flipping the letters (which is part of the rivalry) and using a school's logo to spell out something widely regarded as being vulgar (ie eat me). Until the students at your school stop doing that don't preach to me about class. The things you've stated in this quote are all part of the rivalry and they don't piss me off. It is only when the barbs become vulgar does it bother me at all. I will be watching the game from the Aladdin Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas...I hope to find a lot of good threads when I get back.
*yawn* Both are quality academic institutions. People outside the state tend to regard UT as better, but I'm not sure that has much bearing on reality. I think it's hard to argue that UT's grad programs aren't better overall. It's not just the law school. The LBJ school is excellent as well, etc. I'm also not sure you can count a vet school as negating a law school. But, who can really tell? They're apples and oranges. I always sort of thought UT had better liberal arts programs, while TAMU was better in the sciences... I could be completely wrong, though. I know my cousin in Texas engineering insists UT is better there . Not sure if he's right or just biased. Football wise... we'll find ou on T+2 (btw, who's lame idea was it to c hange it from Thanksgiving? That tradition was great.)
I know UT's undergrad communications and business schools are ranked higher than ATM's. I think ATM is ahead of us in Petroleum Engineering. UT has a stout engineering school though. Let's not get into MBA programs and things like that. UT wins across the board. Also, how good is ATM's vet school? There aren't that many acroos the country and I'm not sure I remember seeing anything about ATM's being in the top ten.
I wonder how some of these rankings are made. Was Texas ranked higher in engineering because they had more professors at their school publish papers, or did they actually have some scientific proof to say that engineers coming out of TU are smarter than Engineers coming out of A&M. Obviously there are certain areas where Texas is better than A&M and vice versa. But to rank something huge like engineering seems impossible and the basis of it probably amounts to nothing. Dijkstra was a professor at Texas; therefore, Texas' Computer Science school must be better than A&M's. It really doesn't mean anything.
Why do you continually refer to UT as TU? It's not Texas University, and you know that. The rankings are made to favor UT. End of story. It's a media conspiracy. The chosen criteria will always favor UT.
Are you reading things? Because I sure as hell didn't say that. I just said the criteria used for ranking schools by some of these publications really doesn't amount to much. And sorry for the 'TU', it's just a habit. I'll try to refer to the school as 'Texas' from now on.
I don't know what's so bad about "TU". I'll use "TU" or "UT" I really don't know why people get so ticked if you change the letters. I do the same thing with Kentucky and Kansas.
The bottom line is that the schools are both fine institutions. They each have things that they do better than the other. That is the nature of universities. I can tell you that A&M's MBA program has been ranked among the top 100 IN THE WORLD...not the US...but the WORLD for 5 years running. If I were going after an MBA, I'd be damn happy to have one from either school. My only point was that A&M and Texas are on par with each other. It's not like A&M is in a lower tier than Texas.
This is a ridiculous argument. I guess Louisville is as good as Miami-FL since they also beat Florida State. Or I guess Texas A&M is better then Iowa State. Boston College is better then Michigan because they beat Notre Dame! I mean come on!
Actually I am pretty sure referring to UK as KU or the other way around would not please EITHER fan base. Especially since they are two of the more storied programs in college hoops.
I stepped out of this debate because I agree the Aggies have played much better lately against top 10 opponents than the Longhorns have under Mack Brown, but the Aggies record is nothing to brag about. I remember the mighty Aggies teams of the early 90's choking in Cotton Bowls and in non-conference games. Texas Tech has sure been a thorn in your side the whole decade. And these Aggies played with the real Wrecking Crew, not the wannabe outfit currently in College Station. Texas has more talent than A&M currently and chokes in big games. A&M had more talent than UT during the early 90's and choked in big games. SWC championships are nothing to brag about. The conference minus A&M sucked. I remember watching the 92 Cotton Bowl against Florida State with the national title on the line...hmmm Or when the Aggies played Big 8 Colorado in non conference..hmmm I'm just saying both teams have not been clutch.
But can you call it choking when the #2 team in the country loses to the #3 team in that #3 team's building? I mean how is that choking?
I don't know what you're referring to. I assume you're talking about # 3 OU beating # 2 Texas. It's just as much as OU's home as it is Texas'. I consider giving up 248 yards to Griffin, being outscored 24-10 (more like 24-3) in the 2nd half, and going 3 and out on 4 of the 8 2nd half possessions (not counting the 9th possession that ended with time expiring) to be choking.
