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[Atlantic Monthly] The Humiliation of Aziz Ansari

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Dairy Ashford, Jan 15, 2018.

  1. Buck Turgidson

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    Apparently, everything.
     
  2. durvasa

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    I really hope that doesn’t happen.

    Even though she didn’t have any qualms about violating the privacy of a famous person she felt mistreated her, that’s no reason to respond in kind. Revealing her identity serves no positive purpose. She was probably genuinely distressed over what happened, and it would be needlessly cruel to add to her distress.
     
  3. KingCheetah

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    I read her info is about to be released and yeah she is going to go through hell.
     
  4. Rocket River

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    was. just a joke
     
  5. durvasa

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    I wonder who leaked it.
     
  6. KingCheetah

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    Probably one of her friends/acquaintances she told.
     
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    There's actually every reason to respond in kind. People act with impunity in secret. Women, and men for that matter, that do these anonymous hit jobs on innocent people should have to face consequences.
     
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    First off, is there a reason she's allowed to be anonymous?

    Serious question, unaware of laws. If you're going to make a shitty attempt, own up to it. Her life is going to be real pathetic, she'll be known as the pathetic fame seeking slut she is.

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  9. SirIvyLeague

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    Agreed. She deserves what she's going to get--good or bad. She can still get @what though, @Mathrocker we have hope.

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  10. Invisible Fan

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    That would be brutal and fitting for her echo chamber, but it shouldn't be too hard for certain people to dig into who shot photos for Aziz and match it with that blurred up photo. There's an #angrybro army with the time and will to pull that off.

    I agree wholeheartedly that the line has to be drawn. I hope this incident is a learning moment for more effective communication and not to use the movement as a weapon of selective privilege instead of a tool to spotlight severe injustice.

    Power is highly dynamic. It's a lot harder to gauge progress nowadays because movements, like modern feminism, span over generations and changes in meaning with each "wave". Fake news and "whatabboutisms" will also erode the stronger core principles. Whose to say power corrupts equally and a woman in charge undergoes similar abuses gone unnoticed (that's likely far off)?

    It's troubling that our social fabric is loosening as things become artificially digital. We're more able to customize and commoditize each other that the work it takes to break out of these misunderstanding seem more painful and meaningful opportunities become more rare.

    The biggest "crime" in her revenge article is that she felt Aziz was relationship celebrity material, whereas Aziz flirted on the lines of groupie and possibly more. That failure in meeting the other's expectations is something everyone encounters. It just seems like people are having a harder time dealing with that suckiness and learning to not to repeat it so they can get what they want.
     
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    I think we also shouldn't forget that she called this "the worst night of my life", if her consensually exchanging oral sex with someone on a date only to regret it later was the worst night of her life.....I mean, I think we can say she's lived a pretty charmed life.
     
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    Great post . I think objectively , learning about and dissecting some of the things that you talked about is fascinating .

    But actually being in it is scary and confusing. As a single , young guy who falls into the "nice guy/ not-assertive" category I have been told that I need to be more aggressive in pursuing women . Now this opposing force is popping up .

    I want to stay true to my instincts , but I feel like even talking to women "when you aren't a Greek god" can somehow constitute sexual assault .... And even if proven innocent ( if it goes to court ) it can still ruin your reputation and work.

    The digital dynamic plays a huge role in this .
     
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    At least he didn't grab her by the p***y though
     
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    He kind of did, he just used his tongue.
     
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    I think there is a difference between regret and sexual assault. This "victim" seems to be suffering from regret and not assault or harassment.
     
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    Just like Aziz, you aren't a mind reader. The average looking woman gets hit upon at least 50 times a week. If she can't handle a simple conversation where you're displaying genuine interest, then you are the least of her problems.

    Boredom or non-interest is not sexual assault. I'm assuming you don't have rapey eyes or bring up topics a serial killer would love when you talk to the ladies. But clear intentions and occasional non-sexual contact would probably make even the most cold-hearted rbf chick's day, whether she admits it or not. That can be considered aggressive because it opens the chance for awkwardness and hurt feelings. Still not sexual assault though.

    The only thing you can control is your attitude and your sense of humor over how we're all ridiculous but can't seem to forgive ourselves for being ridiculous.
     
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    Yes. Women are more vulnerable than men to online harassment. She should not be subjected to that, whatever we may think of her outing Ansari as she did. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Her mental health, quite possibly her physical safety, would be compromised.
     
  18. SirIvyLeague

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    Agreed.

    She should've taken that into consideration before she tried this ****.


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  19. durvasa

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    So let’s **** her over and put her life in danger for a bad decision? No.
     
  20. SirIvyLeague

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    Life in danger? Lol.

    Perfectly fine to defame and accuse a celebrity of noting yet attempt to wreck his life, and do so anonymously. But when it's time to get exposed, please don't be too hard on her.

    White Knight. Keep it moving. You don't throw **** against the wall and not expect it to maybe bounce back and hit you upside the head. It didn't stick, it's going to smack her upside the head. Get over it.

    She ****ing tried to leverage a serious issue and movement on a non-criminal, extremely petty whim. Especially, at the fascination of it all materializing around a celebrity to gain an even higher power and higher level of exposure.

    Instead, it all backfired on her. That level of exposure will do her in. She needs to apologize first and foremost, there's no reason to go soft on this. Little boy Aziz could've been blackballed by society, for nothing.


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