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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Jun 11, 2004.

  1. Uprising

    Uprising Contributing Member

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    DAMNIT!!!!

    There goes the lead!

    Something is wrong with Oswalt!

    He got the nice 3 run lead, and now we are down 1 run!!!!

    5-4 Freakin Crappy Brew Crew!!!! :eek:
     
  2. Uprising

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    Roy is out of the game. Mike Gallo has taken his spot.

    Horrible....HORRIBLE!! 5th inning by Oswalt!!!! :(


    6-4 Brewers........ I don't know if this game is going to be worth staying up for.....

    I am getting tired. it's about 4am.
     
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  3. codell

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    Stros lose again.

    Well need a hell of a performance by Munro and the hitters to stay off the sweep.

    Also, Kent's 25 game hit streak is finished. Double whammy. :(
     
  4. BMoney

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    I know this is a long road trip and still early in the season, but the Astros seem listless this year.
     
  5. JPM0016

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    not sure what to say, it's getting very difficult to watch them. The astros shouldn't lose a game, much less give up 7 runs when Oswalt is on the mound. Something has got to give soon
     
  6. codell

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    Hunsicker will be giving Williams his walking papers if this keeps up much longer.
     
  7. Nick

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    While something has got to give... a managerial change would basically do nothing.

    This is a team of veterans... and yet they have more respect for their manager than a lot of young teams would have. That being said, the players know its nobody's fault but their own.

    This team is a fairly easy one to manage. On most nights, the starting pitcher should give you 7... and you have a solid back-end of the bullpen.

    Also, Jimy hasn't had to do as much micro-managing this year that's he's done the last two years... indicating that he's truly letting the players decide the game (as he should be... when you have talent, that's what's done).

    That being said... these are the only viable moves that could be made with this team:
    1. Play Lane more (which is probably gonna be done now by default).

    2. Handling Everett at the #2 hole... If the pitching continues to sputter, we'll stop this sac bunt thing, and probably move Ensberg back there.

    3. Jeff Bagwell. He's had slumps like this the past two years, and then allofasudden turned it on... while that may be hard to believe he can do that right now, that's the ONLY reason why Jimy may keep him at #3.

    Also, this team can still go on a tear and run away with this division... even though this team should be in that position already. There are far worse positions you could be in than playing terrible ball for a month, and still be only 2 games out in June.
     
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  8. Fegwu

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    Thanks Nick.


    Baseball is one sport where managers play little to very little part in the outcomes of games.....especially in veteran teams.

    The biggest problem to me now is our timely hitting. So far folks like Dalgy, Ausmus, Bags and to some extent Everett and Ensberg have become black holes because they failed to drive in key runs.

    Our team is not built on comeback wins (whatever that means). Our starting pitchers seem to do well when they have a lead save for what we have seen in the last 2 weeks.

    Talking about the starting pitching, I know they can do better.....so I am not worried. But it is fair to say that I am concerned that only Clemens and the oft injured Andy have been most consistent this season. Do we need to add another starter and move Redding to the BP ala Brad Lidge? We shall see about that. For now getting our bats to wake up for the next series will go a long way in lifting everyone up.....heck we can start by smacking Sheets around today.

    I want to remain optimistic. This is or at least should be glorious season. I would hate to see us waste this good thing The Rockets is giving to us. I am not greedy - all I want is our Franchise's first series win (in the playoff of course) and then everything from there on out would just be gravy. Is that asking for too much?

    I still believe.
     
  9. RocketManJosh

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    Does anyone else think we don't have much chance in this game even though we are up 1-0? Sheets is dominant and unless something miraculous happens with our hitters that is not going to change.

    And Munro's 85 mph straight fastball seems to be looking like beach balls to the Brewers. Lets hope they keep hitting it at us though.

    I hope I am wrong, but I am not very optimistic after the first inning.
     
  10. Nick

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    We also need a left-handed pitcher who can get left-handed hitters out.

    Gallo failed big-time today, and will bring all the Jimy-haters out because he made the move to take out Munro in a micro-managing move.
     
  11. Behad

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    Agree completely. I can't see the game today, so I was about to ask why Munro was pulled.
     
  12. Rule0001

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    hmm lead evaporating again?

    3-0

    now 3-2
     
  13. Furious Jam

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    Arrgh! Jimy Jenius strikes again!

    Roy's injury acts up and starts getting lit up, Jimy leaves him in to get pounded.
    Pete hasn't given one @#%* run and Jimy yanks him.

    I'm not saying that everything is Jimy's fault, but he's near the top of the list.
     
  14. Major

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    Agree completely. I can't see the game today, so I was about to ask why Munro was pulled.

    Two lefty hitters coming up - They had gotten on base 4 times in 4 at-bats against Munro. Good decision to pull Munro, who's been getting pretty lucky all day - just didn't work. They now have gotten on base 6 times in 6 ABs against the Astros today.
     
  15. Major

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    Roy's injury acts up and starts getting lit up, Jimy leaves him in to get pounded.
    Pete hasn't given one @#%* run and Jimy yanks him.


    That's the difference between having a history of success like Oswalt, or being a journeyman pitcher like Pete Munro. You're actually complaining both that Jimy leaves pitchers in too long and not long enough?
     
  16. Nick

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    Its a 50:50 call. Ideally, you CANNOT have your left-handed specialist giving up HOMERUNS and doubles to left-handed hitters.

    Also, Munro, while he hadn't given up a run, was the benefit of a bases-loaded DP, a lineout by Podsednick that was speared by Bagwell (and prevented 2 runs from scoring), and there was traffic all day on the basepaths.

    If Munro was throwing lights out, it would have been even more questionable... but I'm sure all these factors played into Jimy's mind as well.

    Regardless... at least we actually have the lead after the inning, unlike the last two games where we lost the lead in this situation.
     
  17. Behad

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    I don't think he is using history as his guide, I think he is talking about the injury aspect. I have to agree. Oswalt, despite his success, was hurting, but Jimy left him in. Today, Munro was not hurt yet he pulls him.
     
  18. Furious Jam

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    I'm complaining that Jimy gives his stars and vets too much leeway, too many chances, no matter what the situation is. A guy's history shouldn't matter if he's hurt right now and getting bombed right now.
     
  19. Nick

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    I have no problem with this scenario... vets and stars have been around and suceeded for a reason.

    He may have too short of a leash on the unproven guys... Everett, Oswalt in 2002, and whatever unproven pitcher we have throwing... in those cases, I'd like him to maybe show more confidence. (although, I completely agree with the move today... Munro was using smoke and mirrors).
     
  20. Major

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    I don't think he is using history as his guide, I think he is talking about the injury aspect. I have to agree. Oswalt, despite his success, was hurting, but Jimy left him in. Today, Munro was not hurt yet he pulls him.

    Oswalt was hurting in his last start too (same injury), and yet went 6 innings and allowed 2 runs. That's the benefit of being Oswalt - your manager is going to trust what you say. If you say you're OK, you're more likely to get the benefit of the doubt.

    You don't get that if you're Munro. Besides which, Munro had allowed 9 men on in 4 innings. Why NOT take him out with two lefties coming up, especially given Munro has had no success vs. these two guys or lefties as a group this year (limited sample, though)? Your goal is to win the game, and the odds are not in your favor if you allow Munro to pitch to two lefties, when he's not likely to go more than another inning or so anyway.

    I'm complaining that Jimy gives his stars and vets too much leeway, too many chances, no matter what the situation is. A guy's history shouldn't matter if he's hurt right now and getting bombed right now.

    That's what all managers do. Under Dierker, Randy Johnson, Hampton and Reynolds got more leeway than Chris Holt. It's the nature of baseball. Star pitchers are more likely to make the big pitch when they need it, so you give them that opportunity. Scrub pitchers aren't, so you don't put them in that position.
     

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