Are we contributing to the fall of the west and rise of China?

Thats a great bit of propaganda.

Nice work if you can get it.

The fact you gloss over how many times china has been caught spying and stealing secrets tells me a lot or never mention civil rights.

I am not anti china and would like us to strengthen relations but china has to come clean and stop with the underhandedness and the state sponsored stealing and pirating.

I really don't care who is "leading" the world I just wish it was done on a countries own merits and not propped up by stealing others technology.

 

What policies do you think western society should have toward China? I hear maybe being more open and sharing technology? It's not clear from your post.

 

What can America learn from China?

How to pay the majority of workers barely a living wage just to flood foreign markets for a greater share?

The main reason China is doing so well now is because they can produce things cheaper than the U.S. full stop.

Huawei is a great at innovation but it's not like they are leaps and bounds better than several U.S. companies or Korean companies and once again there main claim to fame is that they are cheaper than most everyone.

Who is talking about war or advocating for it?

I know everybody spies but China has built a modern economy on it.

 

Why would it not end well?

Seems to me you think China is superior to the U.S. on that front.

Why can't they innovate to feed themselves?

 

China might as well be the Borg to Americans. There's a fundamental culture gap that makes many wary (or horny) against them exotic foreigners.

If it's keeping you up at night, there's a book by Graham T. Allison that talks about it, but readin might not be the best way to reason to a tribal mob about "our downfall".

 

China is going to innovate and aim to be world leader, whatever the US or any other nation does.

To me, the US needs to focus on improving internally. The danger now is much more internal than external. We are burning our own house slowly and not seeing it.

 

Yea I don't get Americans sometimes. You guys have more than enough technology, wealth, resources to keep every citizen fed, healthy, and happy. And you are not like countries who share borders with like 100 other countries, you are so far away from all the conflicts in the world why not just sit back and enjoy yourselves, it's the precious life others dream of.

 

As America gives up its leadership role around the globe, China and Russia are filling the vaccum.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/05/chi...litics-as-us-leaves-a-vacuum-ex-diplomat.html

 

Don't really care it's not like we have earned that leadership role lately.

 

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/c...betans-into-labour-camps-20200922-p55xyk.html

China forces 500,000 Tibetans into labour camps
Anthony Galloway and Eryk Bagshaw
September 22, 2020 — 6.32pm

China is pushing hundreds of thousands of Tibetans into forced labour camps, mirroring a program in the western Xinjiang region, as the International Olympic Committee is urged to strip Beijing of the Winter Olympics.

New evidence suggests the Chinese government now has a large-scale mandatory "vocational training" program in Tibet, pushing more than 500,000 rural labourers into recently built military-style training centres in the first seven months of this year alone.


Farmers in Tibet: In the first seven months of this year over 500,000 rural Tibetan labourers have been pushed into military-style training centres.CREDIT:AP

The evidence has been compiled by German anthropologist Dr Adrian Zenz, whose research was instrumental in raising the profile of the security build-up and mass detention of Uighurs in China's remote Xinjiang province.

The labour camps are accompanied by enforced indoctrination, intrusive surveillance, and harsh punishments for those who fail to meet labour transfer quotas, according to the research.


The new report by Dr Zenz, sponsored by a global coalition of MPs who have been urging governments to adopt a tougher stance on China, says Beijing has been setting quotas for the mass transfer of rural labourers within Tibet.

The labor transfer policy mandates that pastoralists and farmers are to be subjected to centralised "military-style" vocational training, which aims to reform "backward thinking" and includes training in "work discipline", law and the Chinese language.

The new evidence will place further pressure on China's human rights record, which has been criticised for its policies in Xinjiang where more than one million ethnic Uighurs have been forced into internment camps, and a crackdown on pro-democracy leaders in Hong Kong.

The founder of the alliance of MPs, Sir Iain Duncan Smith has urged the IOC to reconsider Beijing as the host of the Olympic Winter Games in 2022. MPs from New Zealand, the Netherlands and the UK have questioned whether the games can continue in China amid the growing human rights concerns and restrictions on freedom of the press.

Former Australian soccer captain Craig Foster said on Tuesday the IOC would be directly responsible if it allowed its "mega events to be used to whitewash broad scale abuse occurring under the shadow of the stadia".

"It is near impossible to see how China can stage a mega-sporting event in accordance with these basic human rights since many are antithetical to governmental principles themselves," said Foster, an adjunct professor at Torrens University.


Liberal MP Dave Sharma, who led the International Division of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, said a boycott would harden nationalist views in China, escalate a "cold-war mentality" and thwart attempts to moderate the Chinese Communist Party's actions in the region.


On Tuesday, a prominent critic of China's President Xi Jinping, Ren Zhiqiang, was sentenced to 18 years in jail for embezzling more than $10 million and taking $255,000 in bribes. The sentence came months after he described Xi as "a clown" in a highly critical essay on his response to the coronavirus crisis.

Carl Minzner, a professor of Chinese law at Fordham University, said the jailing of the property tycoon with high-profile party links sent a message that dissent would not be tolerated.

"This is a very high ranking businessman. Many thought he was untouchable but he takes a stand against Xi and he gets 18 years in prison. He has been made an example of," Minzner said from Taipei.

 

China is a country where the government cares if Ty Lawson is getting lap dances with Chinese women with tight butts.
@Os Trigonum @Reeko

I appreciate a government who helps their citizens but they aren't doing anything when they care about the personal lives
of basketball players

 

You can get a lap dance in Russia without the government caring.

 

Either OP is a complete tool and clueless about China or a mouthpiece for WinnieTheFlu.

I have been paying attention and studying about these ChiCom bastards since the late 70s. They have a 100 years marathon plan to conquer the free world. They have infiltrated into every country, every institution around the globe through every means necessary.

The whole world got really lucky this time with the CCP virus, they tipped their hands way too early, had they waited and be patient for the next 30 years, no one in this world will escape their tyranny.

Every nation on earth has a taste of these commie bastards and are now rebuking them. We as the leader of the free world must finish this modern plague of the 21st century known as the ChiCom bastards.

I can just imagine a world without these evil ChiComs, Chinese people everywhere will celebrate like they are being born again.

 

Nobody is moving to China from the western countries, it's the reverse
Chinese people who can afford it move to the west cause they can actually own property and have freedoms

also since china controls their population's creativity and freedoms, there's nothing original coming out from there now

look at the music, the Koreans are destroying China
nobody understands their songs but BTS and Black Pink DESTROYS any China singers

@Os Trigonum @rocketsjudoka

 

They started in 1920? Wow.

You better hope your ass China doesn't want another hot war. Sending the young to die in trenches and hunks of metal is the worst form of armchair patriotism ever conceived. Also makes those "Chinese slaves" hate you more than their government.

 

Are you American?

 

I am someone who knows the language, been to the PRC many times, negotiated with PRC officials, and still watch PRC media.

The PRC isn't the force for evil that people make it out to be. it's not the Borg out to conquer the whole world. At the same time it's not a force for good and certainly not a force for liberty. I think many in the West and even in the PRC have a simplistic view of the PRC and it's place in the world but like most things it's far more complicated.

Recent Chinese history of the last two centuries has been riven by conflict, and exploitation by foreign powers. The Chinese talk about a 'Century of Humiliation" where China was carved up for foreign powers and even forced to buy opium from the British. 40 years ago there were literally people starving in the streets. These things greatly influence the thinking of the PRC and it's citizens. While on paper Communists in many ways the current CCP view themselves in imperial terms of having a Mandate of Heaven. That mandate is earned by lifting the world's most populous country out of poverty in a generation. That mandate also means that the PRC should be restored to it's preeminent place as the Middle Kingdom.

Obviously we don't live in the 7th Century and in this day and age the PRC understands they can't conquer the World. Here they are pragmatic enough to understand that economic power is as powerful as military power and as such they have been using it to win friends and influence throughout the World. While the PRC is building it's military they are unlikely to use it very much except to what they consider to be traditionally a Chinese sphere of influence. As such we see all sorts of border disputes with things like the South China Sea where they argue that since the Ming Dynasty controlled that region the PRC should. This is one of the reasons why I don't think the PRC would ever start a full blown war with the US.

For the main question if the West (including the US) has contributed to the rise of the PRC I think the answer is unequivocally yes. The US hasn't always been enemies with the PRC. Presidents of both parties starting with Nixon were more than willing to recognize and make deals with the PRC. The global trade system and the willingness of the western companies to invest in the PRC has obviously allowed them to build up their economy rapidly.

Has this led to the downfall of the West I don't think so. Trade and global capital markets isn't a zero sum game. While there certainly have been dislocation and unemployment from manufacturing going to the PRC if you look at the US GDP since 1979 it's grown quite a bit even as the PRC's GDP has grown. In terms of wealth and capital creation bringing the PRC into the global economy has been a huge boon. At the same time the US is still a military and economic superpower and that isn't going to change anytime soon. While the PRC has been expanding influence it's also been making many other countries uneasy especially it's neighbors. This is why even though the PRC has massive economic interests in ASEAN countries they still trust the US more and many still have military alliances with the US primarily to counter the PRC. That's not going to change anytime soon.

The PRC long game is to have them as the preeminent country but it wouldn't dominate like the US and Soviet Union did during the Cold War. They would view it as having one China with territorial integrity, that would include Taiwan. That they economically control their own destiny with other countries dependent enough on them that they couldn't harm the PRC. That within the PRC CCP rule is unquestionable and especially under Xi centralized.