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America's New Concentration Camp System

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Jun 23, 2019.

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    You are making the law up. Seeking asylum is not illegal. Turning away an asylum seeker is illegal.
     
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    maybe this will help

    http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1325&num=0&edition=prelim
     
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    That has nothing to do with asylum seekers.

    https://www.rescue.org/article/migrants-asylum-seekers-refugees-and-immigrants-whats-difference
     
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    Ok...that doesn't have an bearing on whether these folks are criminals. They are not. it is perfectly legal to walk to the border point of entry and declare you are an asylum seeker - whether you have a visa or not does not affect the legality of what you are doing.
     
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    if you read the fact sheet at https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-states you'll see that one of the problems at the border is simply that many people do not do as you describe ("walk to the border point of entry and declare you are an asylum seeker"). Many migrants go a long time without even being informed that asylum is an option, even if they enter at a port of entry. And then you have the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands annually who do not enter at a port of entry.
     
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    Do you think the people at these "detention" camps were rounded up in the desert or from a port of entry?
     
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    don't know
     
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    didn't @HTM cite the figure from May of ~124,000 entering "between" ports of entry? which I take to mean "not at ports of entry"? or am I misinterpreting the language
     
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    Washington Post description:

    May was the third month in a row that border detentions topped 100,000, led by record-breaking levels of illegal crossings by Guatemalan and Honduran parents bringing children. CBP officials told reporters that agents and officers detained more than 100,000 family members and children, leaving holding cells “bursting at the seams.”

    Of the 144,278 taken into CBP custody, 132,887 were apprehended after crossing illegally by Border Patrol agents, and 11,391 were deemed “inadmissible” after arriving at U.S. ports of entry.
    So if the Washington Post reporting can be trusted, it looks like somewhere between 124,000 and 132,887 people entered the United States illegally in May.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...5df61c78dc4_story.html?utm_term=.dec755d1694d
     
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    That doesn't define how many are refugees or asylum seekers. The number of border crossings detentions are very high, but the number of crossings are actually in line with previous years - so why is it a crisis now????

    Most illegal entries into the US are by people who over stay their visa, not illegal crossings. There is a crisis in central american countries, and because Trump has abandoned diplomacy and leadership, the US is actually cutting aid to those countries which is making the problem worse.
     
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    I don't think that's right. in the graph below, Trump is dealing with the red line, Obama in 2014 is dealing with the green line:

    c-1.jpg
     
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    And what is causing that spike? Don't you think it's very odd.
     
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    U.S. asylum officers opposed trump's "remain in Mexico" asylum policy and have taken it to court:



    Of course, trump's political appointed "acting" defens the indefensible and goes against his own asylum officers, claiming they are trying to make short term political points...

     
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    Bank of America to stop lending to private prisons and ICE detention centers
    https://www.axios.com/bank-of-ameri...ion-7f42d0d7-8488-45e3-b167-1c410a54a4d2.html
     
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    on economic migrants who claim asylum to try and remain in the U.S.

    Excerpt:

    Having an economic motive for migrating to the US doesn’t make the death of a father and his young daughter any less tragic. But it does highlight an aspect of what is happening at the border that Democrats and the media have often seemed eager to ignore (the AP seems to be whitewashing it even now).

    Central Americans who want a better life in America are gaming our immigration system by the thousands every day, completely overwhelming the system. Claims of asylum do not extend to economic migrants, but these migrants have learned that if they cross the border and then turn themselves into Border Patrol and make an asylum claim, they won’t be deported. It’s a quick shortcut to get into the country and then get released. And that’s especially true if you’re traveling with a child.

    And from what we know, it appears that’s exactly what Oscar and his family were doing. They were economic migrants who considered claiming asylum at a port of entry even though they had no real grounds for making such a claim. When that approach appeared to take too long, they tried to cross the river. Presumably, if they had all made it and were caught on the US side, they would have claimed asylum as they initially intended.

    But the asylum process was not intended to apply to thousands of people per day who are, in fact, economic migrants. We don’t have enough Border Patrol agents to give “credible fear” interviews to all of these people and we definitely don’t have enough immigration judges to hear all of these cases in a timely manner. Most of these economic migrants will have their cases denied and many (at least 1/3 but possibly more) will have an adverse decision made in absentia because they won’t even show up for their hearing. In theory, they will be liable for deportation at that point but in practice, Democrats will scream about injustice whenever ICE tries to remove anyone for deportation who isn’t caught at the border.

    What motivated Oscar and his family was the belief that he could have a better life in the US and that if he a) made it across the border unnoticed or b) got caught but made a bogus claim for asylum, he’d never have to leave the US. That’s not how our immigration system is supposed to work. Unfortunately, that’s how it does work at present and that loophole is leading tens of thousands of people to risk their lives and that of their children on a long and perilous journey to the United States.​

    https://hotair.com/archives/2019/06...rande-economic-migrants-planned-claim-asylum/
     

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