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All Time Best Astros by Position

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  1. The Beard

    The Beard Contributing Member

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    While we wait for the 2022 version, who are your "best" Astros of all time, by position

    It can be hard to place a value when you look at guys who played here long term vs shorter term but much better years, but however you would value their overall worth to our franchise...which of these is wrong

    Catcher: Brad Ausmus. Thought about going McCann since he was the catcher on the championship team, but he not only had only two years here, outside of a huge game 5 HR, he was terrible in the playoffs.

    1B: Jeff Bagwell. Probably the easiest choice of them all

    2B: Jose Altuve. As good as Jose is, this was the toughest decision on the list. Biggio just might be the best Astro of all time when you look at total career. But Jose has offensive numbers that rival Craig, and he has been the face of by far the most successful run in Astros History, so he gets the nod

    3B: Alex Bregman. Rader and Caminiti were in the running, but on a per game basis Bregman blows them out of the water. Bregman also has 5 full seasons in mlb and has been a key piece of 3 World Series teams

    SS: Carlos Correa. Almost as easy as the Bagwell choice.

    OF: * too difficult to go by LF/CF/RF because so many of them play multiple positions, so going with the best 3

    Jose Cruz. Would be interesting to know what kind of numbers he would have had if he didn't play in the dome his whole career

    Cecar Cedeno. Best Astro OF of all time

    George Springer. Gets the nod over Berkman, Wynn and Billly Hatchers HR in the 10th

    DH: Yordan Alvarez...haven't had the position long enough, but the kid is a stud and will likely be the best at this "position" for the Astros for a long long time

    Utility: Craig Biggio. Played Catcher, 2B, CF, LF...so yea, not the true definition of a utility player, but he can't be left off an all time team

    SP 1: Nolan Ryan
    SP 2: Mike Scott
    SP 3: Roy Oswalt
    SP 4: Larry Dierker
    SP 5: Justin Verlander

    Closer: Billy Wagner

    Amazing how many great pitchers we have had
     
  2. sealclubber1016

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    Berkman is the 2nd best hitter in Astros history and a postseason beast, so there's no way you can leave his bat out of the lineup.

    C- Ausmus (no good options)
    1B-Bagwell
    2B-Altuve
    SS-Correa
    3B-Bregman
    LF-Berkman (gets the nod in the less defensively demanding LF)
    CF-Cedeno
    RF-Springer (gets the nod defensively over cheo in RF)

    It's stupid to call DH a position, Jimmy Wynn would be the pick for best hitter not in the lineup. Cruz is honestly crazy underrated, but he gets situationally squeezed out of the lineup just like Biggio.

    SP-Oswalt
    SP-Ryan
    SP-Scott
    SP-Richard
    SP-Dierker

    Verlander's tenure is too short
     
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  3. MadMax

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    OVERALL FRANCHISE MVP: BILL DORAN

    on this point, there can be no debate
     
  4. Astrodome

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    OVERALL FRANCHISE MVP PITCHER: shane reynolds

    Somewhat debatable
     
  5. Buck Turgidson

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    Danny Darwin is the correct answer.
     
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  6. The Beard

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    Toughest SOB who ever played for us. Saw him throw a pitch after warnings had been given straight Outta guys back, was walking towards the dug out before the hump could toss him
     
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    If we're going to add an actual utility player, it's Billy Spiers.

    Best defensive player, removing anything offense is Adam Everett and there is no one even remotely close.
     
  8. The Beard

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    Yeah if Everett could have even been an average hitter he would’ve been a star
     
  9. Joe Joe

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    C Biggio
    1B Bagwell
    2B Altuve
    SS Correa (though Thon probably is really close)
    3B Bregman
    OF Berkman, Springer, Hidalgo
    DH Alvarez

    SP
    Verlander
    Cole
    Richard
    Ryan
    Oswalt

    I lean more towards greatest season vs longevity.
     
  10. awc713

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    I go…

    C Biggio
    1B Bagwell
    2B Altuve
    SS Correa
    3B Bregman
    OF Berkman, Springer, Cruz
    DH Alvarez

    SPs: Verlander, Cole, Roy O, Clemens, Ryan
    CL: Wagner
     
  11. leroy

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    In today's game, he just about is.
     
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  12. Joe Joe

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    besides for no power, not getting on base, not handling today's velocity, and not handling hard breaking pitches.
     
  13. evilhomer

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    Best catcher, Ivan Rodriguez or Tony Eusebio. Brad Ausmus is one of the most overrated Astros ever.
     
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    I’m surprised Clemens isn’t in more posters all-time Astros rotations. He spent 3 years here, won the Cy Young award his first year here, wasn’t too far off the second year, pillar largely responsibly for the Astros most successful playoffs runs ever pre-Luhnow…I know it was only 3 years but it’s not like he was washed up or even that short of a a stint.
     
  15. bobrek

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    Rodriguez played 93 games with Houston. OPS of .662 and OPS+ of 75.
     
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    I prefer a balance between great seasons and longevity. Can't be a compiler but must have been a starter at least 5 seasons.

    C- Biggio ( starter 19 seasons even if only 3 1/2 were catcher)
    1b- Bagwell
    2b- Altuve
    3b- Bregman
    SS-Correa
    OF- Cruz, Cedeno, Wynn
    DH- Berkman

    Pitchers TBA
     
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    I'm taking Castro as catcher, Berman in OF and JR over Dierker.

    Castro has twice the WAR of Ausmus in fewer seasons. Obviously catchers are harder to value, but I think we undervalue what he has been because he never lived up to that allstar season again.
     
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  18. evilhomer

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    C-Paul Bako
    1st- Darryl Ward
    2nd- Kazuo Matsui
    SS- Adam Everett
    3rd- Geoff Blumm
    OF- Bogusevic, Lane, Palmeiro
    SP- Wandy
     
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    Casey Candaele

    John Cangelosi vs Jeff Juden
     
  20. Buck Turgidson

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    Wanna do the all-prospect, no payoff team?

    Robby Wine
    Cameron Drew
    Eric Anthony
    Andujar Cedeno
    .....?
     
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