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72% of US Troops in Iraq Favor Pullout Within One Year.

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  1. gifford1967

    gifford1967 Contributing Member
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    A lot of interesting info here.


    Released: February 28, 2006
    U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006


    Le Moyne College/Zogby Poll shows just one in five troops want to heed Bush call to stay “as long as they are needed”

    While 58% say mission is clear, 42% say U.S. role is hazy

    Plurality believes Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown

    Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11, most don’t blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks

    Majority of troops oppose use of harsh prisoner interrogation

    Plurality of troops pleased with their armor and equipment


    An overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year, and nearly one in four say the troops should leave immediately, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows.

    The poll, conducted in conjunction with Le Moyne College’s Center for Peace and Global Studies, showed that 29% of the respondents, serving in various branches of the armed forces, said the U.S. should leave Iraq “immediately,” while another 22% said they should leave in the next six months. Another 21% said troops should be out between six and 12 months, while 23% said they should stay “as long as they are needed.”

    Different branches had quite different sentiments on the question, the poll shows. While 89% of reserves and 82% of those in the National Guard said the U.S. should leave Iraq within a year, 58% of Marines think so. Seven in ten of those in the regular Army thought the U.S. should leave Iraq in the next year. Moreover, about three-quarters of those in National Guard and Reserve units favor withdrawal within six months, just 15% of Marines felt that way. About half of those in the regular Army favored withdrawal from Iraq in the next six months.

    The troops have drawn different conclusions about fellow citizens back home. Asked why they think some Americans favor rapid U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, 37% of troops serving there said those Americans are unpatriotic, while 20% believe people back home don’t believe a continued occupation will work. Another 16% said they believe those favoring a quick withdrawal do so because they oppose the use of the military in a pre-emptive war, while 15% said they do not believe those Americans understand the need for the U.S. troops in Iraq.

    The wide-ranging poll also shows that 58% of those serving in country say the U.S. mission in Iraq is clear in their minds, while 42% said it is either somewhat or very unclear to them, that they have no understanding of it at all, or are unsure. While 85% said the U.S. mission is mainly “to retaliate for Saddam’s role in the 9-11 attacks,” 77% said they also believe the main or a major reason for the war was “to stop Saddam from protecting al Qaeda in Iraq.”

    “Ninety-three percent said that removing weapons of mass destruction is not a reason for U.S. troops being there,” said Pollster John Zogby, President and CEO of Zogby International. “Instead, that initial rationale went by the wayside and, in the minds of 68% of the troops, the real mission became to remove Saddam Hussein.” Just 24% said that “establishing a democracy that can be a model for the Arab World" was the main or a major reason for the war. Only small percentages see the mission there as securing oil supplies (11%) or to provide long-term bases for US troops in the region (6%).

    The continuing insurgent attacks have not turned U.S. troops against the Iraqi population, the survey shows. More than 80% said they did not hold a negative view of Iraqis because of those attacks. About two in five see the insurgency as being comprised of discontented Sunnis with very few non-Iraqi helpers. “There appears to be confusion on this,” Zogby said. But, he noted, less than a third think that if non-Iraqi terrorists could be prevented from crossing the border into Iraq, the insurgency would end. A majority of troops (53%) said the U.S. should double both the number of troops and bombing missions in order to control the insurgency.

    The survey shows that most U.S. military personnel in-country have a clear sense of right and wrong when it comes to using banned weapons against the enemy, and in interrogation of prisoners. Four in five said they oppose the use of such internationally banned weapons as napalm and white phosphorous. And, even as more photos of prisoner abuse in Iraq surface around the world, 55% said it is not appropriate or standard military conduct to use harsh and threatening methods against insurgent prisoners in order to gain information of military value.

    Three quarters of the troops had served multiple tours and had a longer exposure to the conflict: 26% were on their first tour of duty, 45% were on their second tour, and 29% were in Iraq for a third time or more.

    A majority of the troops serving in Iraq said they were satisfied with the war provisions from Washington. Just 30% of troops said they think the Department of Defense has failed to provide adequate troop protections, such as body armor, munitions, and armor plating for vehicles like HumVees. Only 35% said basic civil infrastructure in Iraq, including roads, electricity, water service, and health care, has not improved over the past year. Three of every four were male respondents, with 63% under the age of 30.

    The survey included 944 military respondents interviewed at several undisclosed locations throughout Iraq. The names of the specific locations and specific personnel who conducted the survey are being withheld for security purposes. Surveys were conducted face-to-face using random sampling techniques. The margin of error for the survey, conducted Jan. 18 through Feb. 14, 2006, is +/- 3.3 percentage points.

    http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    It is truly amazing how many of the troops believe that Saddam had a role in 9/11 and that he was harboring Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq, both of which are claims that have been repeatedly dismissed by everyone, including the Vice President.
     
  3. No Worries

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    20% of our troups understands this whole *chain of command thingie*.
     
  4. nyquil82

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    Pulling out used to be considered a sign of weakness, but with trends these days, im not opposed to pulling out and having it go all over the administration's face.
     
  5. No Worries

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    Hey nyquil82! No p*rn. There are kids that read this board.
     
  6. mc mark

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    Sure is quiet in these two threads...

    Nobody want to comment on 72% of our people thinking we should pull out in 2006?

    There is one thing I will say about this article. It shows that our brave men and women are amazing people and despite the circumstances that they’ve been put in, have done a great job!

    God blessem’

    Bring em' home NOW!!!!!
     
  7. CometsWin

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    Obviously the troops hate America.




    What do I win? ;)
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    According to the logic of some on this board...

    The troops don't support themselves, are Saddam sympathizers, want the terrorists to win, are playing into the hands of Bin Laden, and care more about Bush failing than the U.S. winning.

    Yet the people that feel that way are the ones supporting those very same troops. The others of us who agree with the troops aren't supporting them.

    Their logic has just crashed and burned in a horrible mess.
     
  9. ROXRAN

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    Not my logic. My logic is there is more to an answer than a question... And now we know the answer to what that question is.
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    I don't think I have ever seen you use that logic.

    Parts or all of that logic have been used by used by basso, TJ, and bigtexxx.
     
  11. ROXRAN

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    thanks.

    btw, I feel we should pull out...this will be an effective strategy to get the Iraqi leadership to make hay.
     
  12. mc mark

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    ROX what do you think of the idea of pulling back the troops to Kuwait or the UAE and hold strategic positions for quick force strikes when needed?

    Just an idea, what do you think should happen? I'd like to hear.
     
  13. ROXRAN

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    I honestly think that is a great idea, and a strategy I would advocate...
     
  14. Deckard

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    That's exactly what Congressman Murtha called for, when he said it was time to look at pulling out the troops. Sadly, this veteran was called a traitor by the usual suspects.



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  15. gifford1967

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    That's impossible. Murtha's a Democrat. Democrats never offer a plan. They have no new ideas. All they do is hate on Bush.
     
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    Oh, really? When was that... some revision?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/17/AR2005111700794.html

    "Our troops have become the primary target of the insurgency," Murtha said in a Capitol news conference that left him in tears. Islamic insurgents "are united against U.S. forces, and we have become a catalyst for violence," he said. ". . . It's time to bring them home."
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes, and his plan for getting them home and Iraq on its feet, included exactly what was mentioned above. That is pulling the troops back but keeping them nearby so they could deploy rapidly should there be a need for it.

    It was the GOP who changed his bill to the wording that called for troops to be brought home immediately. Murtha's plan was denied an up or down vote.
     
  18. giddyup

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    Well, sort of... this from January 15, 2006

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/13/60minutes/main1208423_page2.shtml

    "Murtha wants all the troops home within six months, except for a quick reaction force of about 20,000 who would be based nearby in Kuwait. But he admits that when the Americans leave, a civil war in Iraq will intensify. "
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    Exactly. It sounds like a great plan. I'm sad that it never got a chance to be voted on. It would be nice to have a clear cut plan and mission in Iraq for once.
     
  20. giddyup

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    Hmmm. Big difference, though, between "all" the troops and 20,000.

    Question: how can 20,000 troops be really effective against an entrenched, openly-operating enemy without a significant change in the rules of engagement, i.e. more reckless use of deadly force?
     

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