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‘Trump’s Going to Get Re-elected, Isn’t He?’

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Jul 16, 2019.

  1. TheresTheDagger

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    Yes, which is why one of the very few items they've agreed to discuss in an Article V convention is a balanced budget amendment....because they don't care about fiscal responsibility. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    Man, this next election is not like those. Just returning to normalcy after 4 years of Trump is a huge amount of hope-and-change all by itself.
     
  3. Anticope

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    Right, because symbolic gestures that have no chance of ever happening are more meaningful than the actual, real trillion dollar deficits that the Tea Party seems to no longer be interested in protesting against.
     
  4. TheresTheDagger

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    15 states onboard already including 3 this year so far.
     
  5. BruceAndre

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    More objective mainstream media, I see .....
     
  6. BruceAndre

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    This would actually be a victory for the feminists.

    Ivanka should stick to secretly dating her Dad :eek:
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    Why would Ivanka being in a cabinet level position be a victory for feminists? Being the President's daughter as the main qualification diminishes feminist causes.

    We have had female secretary of states before who have signficantly more Individual merit.
     
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    "Democrats want to fall in love; Republicans want to fall in line."
     
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    The consecutive posts remind of pgab's. Perhaps we've found the guy who hacked his account.
     
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  11. Anticope

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    And yet it's never, ever, ever going to happen, it's symbolic pandering to a certain crowd. The Tea Party was nothing more than an opposition party disguised as a grass roots movement. That's not to say that it wasn't successful, a lot of Republicans got elected to Congress and the state levels under the guise of being Tea Partiers, but if they truly cared about small government and out of control deficits like they claimed they would still be out there protesting and being vocal like they were when Obama was president. Yet they are nowhere to be found today except for apparently paying lip service to constitutional amendment unicorns. 99% of the people who claim to be part of the Tea Party will show up to vote for Trump and his trillion dollar deficits in 2020 without a second thought.
     
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    Huh, did not Kevin McHale was in this movie :D
     
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  14. BruceAndre

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    Increasingly this is true. And the reasons are 1) Responsible people at being penalized for having kids 2) Irresponsible people are being subsidized for having kids 3) Democrats are importing voters wholesale from south of the border.
     
  15. DonnyMost

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    This is a perfect example of Democrats negotiating against themselves and their general weakness as a party.

    You got punched in the mouth. Fight back. Don't be happy with just not getting your ass kicked anymore.

    Be the agent of change that you're supposed to be.
     
  16. biff17

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    Centrist democrats won most of the seats in 2018.
     
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    Centrist Democrats will still vote for any of the candidates against Trump. Plus the places they need to win are places where establishment candidates haven't done well.
     
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    That's not true Wisconsin just elected a moderate governor along with moderate house members.

    The candidates in Pennsylvania and Virginia where moderates.

    You also had moderates winning in Michigan.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...moderate-democrats-as-progressives-next-year/

    We can’t predict the political views of newly-elected Democrats, but we know that in the current Congress there is a strong relationship between members’ ideology, as measured by their voting history using Voteview, and the partisan lean of their districts, as measured by FiveThirtyEight’s partisan lean metric.

    We found a correlation of 0.87. This calculation excludes representatives from Pennsylvania because the state was redistricted shortly before the 2018 election, so our partisan lean measurements for the current districts do not represent the districts that elected members of previous Congresses. We calculate partisan lean by taking the average difference between how a district votes and how the country votes overall, where 2016 presidential election results are weighted 50 percent, 2012 presidential election results are weighted 25 percent and results from elections for the state legislature are weigh


    So if their districts are anything to go by, the 30 freshmen members of the New Democrats may be even more moderate than their returning colleagues — 22 of the 30 freshmen New Democrats come from districts that lean Republican. But of the 60 New Democrats who won re-election, 55 come from districts that lean Democratic, so it’s not as if the caucus is exclusively made up of members from Republican parts of the country. Still, the large cohort of new members from battleground districts may lead the New Democrats and their policy preferences to more moderate ground. This could in turn generate friction between the New Democrats and the Progressives, at least on some issues.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/05/moderate-democrats-2020/589567/

    What places are you talking about that moderates have not done well?
     
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    I will concede on the point about the governor of Wisconsin. The other ones are district by district so that is a little different. In the last presidential election Trump won places that Democrats had won but they didn't turn out for moderate Hillary or they turned out and left the Presidential part of the ballot blank.

    In general I agree that moderates won the majority of the new seats in congress last election. I think it might be possible to win in the battleground states with a moderate as well, though I feel like in the presidential race that will be harder.
     
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    Moderates weren't the problem in 2016, Hillary the woman, the myth, the legend was.
     
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