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trump and NATO

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jul 11, 2018.

  1. Cohete Rojo

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    photographer (in flemish accent): Now lets look to the left !
     
  3. Bandwagoner

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    The billions for missile defense Trump sold to Poland that Obama blocked as a favor to Russia was a great thing.

    I also want to say 0% chance McCain is writing these tweets.
     
  4. NewRoxFan

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    ‘Very stable’ Trump? European leaders beg to differ
    The president’s wild shifts in tone left many NATO allies concluding no hidden strategy lies behind his unpredictability.
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/12/donald-trump-behavior-nato-summit-europe-716035
     
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    An out and out lie. Macron of France already said he wasn't paying more. Same for Canada...



    Macron rejects Trump's claim on NATO defense spending commitments
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics/trump-nato-spending-claims-reaction-intl/index.html

    Trudeau insists Canada spending enough on defence, as Trump declares victory at NATO
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-takes-questions-nato-july-1.4743477
     
  6. pgabriel

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    Why is NATO still necessary? The cold war is going on thirty years of being over
     
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    NATO is about war. You think any country is goimg to war with Russia any time soon? NATO wasnt formed to stop a guy who wasn't born when ot wsd f formed
     
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  10. mtbrays

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    Dude, they invaded a sovereign nation that wanted to move westward and join NATO, took control of their territory, shot down a passenger jet and continue to fight a civil war in Ukraine. Russia seeks to destabilize the western alliance in any way it can rather than dismantle its own kleptocracy. NATO members like Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania live in fear of Russian invasion. Russia is not a new, friendly country.

    As always, The Simpsons already did it:
    https://www.youtube.com/embed/yFNRlvEh7ok
     
  11. Cohete Rojo

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    With that kind of logic, then it’s acceptable for Russians to live in fear of another French or German invasion of their country.

    Yes, Russia must be checked, but how far should should NATO/EU push back on Russia? It seems like Ukraine is Russia’s line in the sand.

    NATO is still necessary, but NATO expansion at this time is not necessary.
     
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    I don't see how Napoleonic or 1930s history is relevant to Russia's actions four years ago. Russia is allowed to consider Ukraine their "line in the sand," but how does that justify invading the sovereignty of a country that, through democratic means, sought to move closer to the EU and NATO?
     
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    And NATO didn't do **** not cause it wasn't warranted but because its the Ukraine. Sovereignty or not thats a local dispute.

    They aren't invading Germany or Norway or Denmark are us etc etc etc anytime soon
     
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    You should maybe think about this response for a bit.
     
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    Not justified but Putin invaded Crimea to ship his gas. Not spread communism
     
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    The US should invade Crimea and steal that gas, because they can. I’m sure someone in Crimea speaks English.
     
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    Have you ever thought about WHY they aren't invading any of these places?

    Hint: It's NATO.
     
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    One is not better than the other.
     
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    I was going to let him figure that out all by himself. Germany, Norway, Denmark, Ukraine...one of these things is not like the others.
     
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    Uh, no, pgabriel. He invaded Ukraine to steal Crimea. Why? Because Sevastopol, in Crimea, was historically Russia's key naval base on the Black Sea and he wanted it back. Also, Putin isn't a communist. He's an oligarch. The man doesn't give a flying burrito about communism. He wants to make Russia a great power again, like the empire he grew up in. The Soviet Union, which was a Russian empire in everything except the word. Read some history, man.
     
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