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The Formal Impeachment Inquiry of Trump

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by RESINator, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    According to 538, Fox News Poll is slightly bias with a solid rating (A).

    A key paragraph:

    "Since July, support for impeachment increased among voters of all stripes: up 11 points among Democrats, 5 points among Republicans and 3 among independents. Support also went up among some of Trump’s key constituencies, including white evangelical Christians (+5 points), white men without a college degree (+8), and rural whites (+10)."
     
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    This is the basis for the video.

    Although Congress has passed more than 100 provisions that outline the power that the president gains in this circumstance—such as the ability to shut down media channels or take them over, and the deployment of military troops inside the United States—there is no legal definition of a national emergency. There is no requirement that Congress ratify the decision. There is no judicial review.


    In other words, the decision to invoke emergency powers is left entirely to the president’s discretion.

    If he did declare this national emergency do you think the military will go along with him or the rest of the federal government?

    Also if you think he has this much Sway and power why are you always blaming Pelosi for him doing stuff when you think he holds this much power.

    Tell us again why you think impeachment is a prevention when you think Trump can just executive order himself into holding power/
     
  4. Andre0087

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    Didn't someone in Clinton's impeachment investigation spend 18 months in jail......put Gulliani in there.

    DD
     
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  6. Dubious

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    Two business associates of Trump’s personal attorney Giuliani have been arrested on campaign finance charges
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...9c101a-eb63-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

    In May 2018, about six months before the men began working with Giuliani on his Biden investigation, a Florida business established by Parnas received a $1.26 million wire transfer from an account whose owner was represented by a real estate lawyer who specializes in assisting foreign buyers of U.S. property, court documents and corporate filings show.

    Two days later, America First, the main pro-Trump super PAC, reported receiving $325,000 from a company that Parnas and Fruman had incorporated the previous month called Global Energy Producers.
     
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  7. vlaurelio

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    throwing the book on mayor cross dresser and jailing him is exactly the all in move they need to get this ball rolling
     
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    We've got too many different threads going, these posts could be in others since it relates to Rudy but eventually all the stories will come to Impeachment
     
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    Funny when a bank lies like this...

     
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    Conservatives don't use big words.

    Fake letter!

    Fake news!
     
  14. Andre0087

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    Before my time, old school.
     
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    That was connected to Whitewater, DD. Susan McDougal is the woman who spent 18 months in jail for refusing to answer "3 questions." Kenneth Starr was involved. That's all I can recall. Honestly, I don't give a damn about that. I'm upset about something else.

    What I am very upset about, and I wish someone would start a thread about it, is the utter betrayal of our Kurdish allies in Northeast Syria by Mr trump, who told no one in the Defense Department what he was going to do. Rather than describe it myself, I'll do an "@Os Trigonum special" and copy and paste an opinion piece from the Right-Wing Washington Examiner, but first an article from Haaretz of Israel, another news source that, unless I am mistaken, leans to the Right. What trump has done is indefensible.

    Reuters and Haaretz Oct 10, 2019 6:43 PM

    Disbelief as Trump Justifies Syria Withdrawal Because 'Kurds Didn't Help Us in WWII'

    Trump is receiving renewed criticism for the now on-going Turkish invasion of northeastern Syria

    U.S. President Donald Trump is receiving renewed criticism for the now on-going Turkish invasion of northeastern Syria, which was launched three days after he opened the way by pulling American troops from their positions near the border alongside their Kurdish allies.

    "They owe us hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars, so no, I don't look at it that way. Now the Kurds are fighting for their land, just so you understand. They are fighting for their land." Trump continued, "And as somebody wrote in a very very powerful article today, they didn't help us in the Second World War, they didn't' help us with Normandy, as an example, they mentioned names of different battles."

    Trump was quickly blasted online for the odd statement. Conservative Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin simply responded, “Dumbest president. Ever.” Former Obama official Ben Rhodes wrote, “Reminder that Trump has trashed all the allies who fought with us in Normandy, and also just glibly referred to ISIS terrorists returning to Europe bc of Trump's policy.”

    Actor Jeffrey Wright commented on Congressman Mark Meadows who stood behind Trump while he made the remark, saying, “The remaining liddle' burnt crisp of Mark Meadows' soul exits his body in search of the remnants of Trump's so-called brain.”

    Other twitter users noted it was a “Pretty f*cking bold statement from a guy who didn’t help us in Vietnam” while another listed all the other “countries that did not fight with the US at Normandy whose leaders Trump nonetheless helps or praises.”


    Turkish advances

    Turkish ground forces seized at least one village from Kurdish fighters in northern Syria as they pressed ahead with their assault for a second day Thursday, pounding towns and villages along the border with airstrikes and artillery.

    Residents of border areas within Syria scrambled in panic as they tried to escape on foot and in cars, pickup trucks and motorcycle rickshaws piled with mattresses and belongings, and the UN refugee agency said tens of thousands of people were on the move. It was wrenchingly familiar for many who only a few years ago had fled the militants of the Islamic State group.

    At a time when Trump faces an impeachment inquiry, the move drew swift criticism from Republicans and Democrats in Congress, along with many national defense experts, who say it has endangered not only the Kurds and regional stability but U.S. credibility as well. The Syrian Kurdish militia was the only U.S. ally in the campaign that brought down the Islamic State group in Syria.

    Trump warned Turkey for moderation during its assault and safeguard civilians. But the opening barrage showed little sign of holding back: The Turkish Defense Military said its jets and artillery had struck 181 targets so far. More than a dozen columns of heavy black smoke rose above one border town.

    A Kurdish-led group and Syrian activists said that despite the bombardment, Turkish troops had not made much progress on several fronts they had opened. But their claims could not be independently verified, and the situation was difficult to assess.




    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/tru...e-kurds-for-not-helping-during-wwii-1.7965618



    Trump’s Kurdish betrayal is already reviving ISIS and hurting Israel


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    Quin Hillyer
    October 09, 2019 05:13 PM

    President Trump has betrayed and cut loose our Kurdish allies in northeast Syria.

    He says he wants to extricate American soldiers from “endless wars,” but this week he relocated no more than 100 U.S. personnel from a place of relative peace — a place where Americans were not being fired upon. Sure enough, on Wednesday that place already was bursting into open warfare. Trump surrendered peace and effectively invited Turkey to invade and take the fight to the people who had been fighting on our side against ISIS.

    Some 1,000 U.S. personnel remain in Syria anyway. Trump hasn’t removed them, despite his ignorant Twitter posturing, but he has left them in a place less stable than it was before he cowered in front of the Islamist Turkish thug, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. If the Kurds are unable to ward off the Turks’ vicious assault, it stands to reason that the first role they will abandon is that of jail keeper for 10-12,000 ISIS fighters. Once escaped, those ISIS fighters surely will terrorize the U.S. and its allies.

    House Republican Conference Chair Liz Cheney, one of Trump’s staunchest allies on Capitol Hill, summed up the situation concisely in a Tweet calling the situation “sickening.”

    “Turkish troops preparing to invade Syria from the north, Russian-backed forces from the south, ISIS fighters attacking Raqqa,” she wrote. “Impossible to understand why @realDonaldTrump is leaving America’s allies to be slaughtered and enabling the return of ISIS.”

    As Cheney accurately noted, the problem Trump let loose isn’t just that Turkey is attacking. The worst is that ISIS sleeper cells, in timing that appears coordinated and that at least was triggered by the obvious opportunity afforded them, already unleashed what has been described as a “large-scale attack” on Kurdish security bases. Not only does this give the lie to Trump’s repeated assertion that he “defeated” ISIS, but it shows that his decision has unleashed them. It isn’t just the Kurds who will suffer.

    A bit beneath the radar, the abandonment of the Kurds also puts Israel at somewhat greater risk. Kurdish patrols throughout eastern Syria had effectively made it more difficult for Iran to send aid through Shi’ite areas of Iraq to the Hezbollah terrorists making mischief for Israel from the area of the Golan Heights. Now, with Kurds fighting for their own lives in northeast Syria, a corridor opens for Iranian-Hezbollah threats to Israel.

    In sum, not a single discernible American interest was secured by Trump’s decision. The bloodbath that already has begun will be Trump’s fault.


    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...l-is-already-reviving-isis-and-hurting-israel
     
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    Oops. Well... at least he blasted those NBA coaches! Ya see that!
     
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    I thought that thing about the Kurds not backing us in WWII was an onion headline until I saw th video.

    I was taking to some body earlier who said “Trump is the realist president and the media can’t handle that.” I said “the realist president just said we’re not helping the Kurds because they didn’t help us in Dday.”
     
  18. DaDakota

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    Hell he didn't help us in Vietnam!

    DD
     
  19. AleksandarN

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    Holly ****. I bet Trump’s camp is sweating

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/10/10/po...ser-resigns/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

     
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  20. NewRoxFan

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    republicans have abandoned their integrity in support of trump:




    But... "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"...

     
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