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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, May 17, 2017.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    Pretty sure you’re projecting your support for Trump here....
     
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    Yet you are fine, I assume, with all the spin the left has been putting out? Is it only 'lies' when Trump does it?

    or the litany of lies pretty much every single Democratic Presidential contender is putting out there? Your ire seems peculiarly focused, looking through very blue lenses.
     
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  4. dmoneybangbang

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    Spin? As in the contents of Mueller Reports and his findings?
     
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    So we are now at the point where Trump supporters aren't playing whataboutism with Democrat misconduct that can hold water next to the findings of Trumps misconduct in the report.

    We are at a point where Trump supporters are playing whataboutism with the COMMENTARY of the report with the misconduct?

    Are you F-ing kidding me? If you can't just discuss the facts, and have to make the consumer of the facts the enemy, I think you have lost the argument.
     
  6. NewRoxFan

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    Gee, the Mueller Report seems to have broken the trump supporters here...
     
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    Correct, but more to that, he define what is "collusion" and he also clearly stated that there were gaps (and reading between the lines) that could change the conclusion. Even while it does not reach legal criminal activities due to this, the corruption and lies are massive. Trump and his people might be free of conspiracy criminal charges, but this is very damming clear evidence of their corruption.


    This is their criteria:

    "In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of “collusion.” In so doing, the Office recognized that the word “collud[e]” was used in communications with the Acting Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation’s scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the Office’s focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law. In connection with that analysis, we addressed the factual question whether members of the Trump Campaign “coordinat[ed]” — a term that appears in the appointment order — with Russian election interference activities. Like collusion, “coordination” does not have a settled definition in federal criminal law. We understood coordination to require an agreement — tacit or express — between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other’s actions or interests. We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."


    "Second, while the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges. Among other things, the evidence was not sufficient to charge any Campaign official as an unregistered agent of the Russian government or other Russian principal. And our evidence about the June 9, 2016 meeting and WikiLeaks’s releases of hacked materials was not sufficient to charge a criminal campaign-finance violation. Further, the evidence was not sufficient to charge that any member of the Trump Campaign conspired with representatives of the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election."

    "The investigation did not always yield admissible information or testimony, or a complete picture of the activities undertaken by subjects of the investigation. Some individuals invoked their Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination and were not, in the Office’s judgment, appropriate candidates for grants of immunity. The Office limited its pursuit of other witnesses and information — such as information known to attorneys or individuals claiming to be members of the media — in light of internal Department of Justice policies. See, e.g., Justice Manual §§ 9-13.400, 13.410. Some of the information obtained via court process, moreover, was presumptively covered by legal privilege and was screened from investigators by a filter (or “taint”) team. Even when individuals testified or agreed to be interviewed, they sometimes provided information that was false or incomplete, leading to some of the false-statements charges described above. And the Office faced practical limits on its ability to access relevant evidence as well — numerous witnesses and subjects lived abroad, and documents were held outside the United States.

    Further, the Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated — including some associated with the Trump Campaign-deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts.

    Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report."
     
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    LOL... "concise"? "Keynote". This self-identified trump supporter has a far right wing blog called "American Greatness" that sources Daily Caller and Gateway Pundit? LOL...
     
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    I am fine if all Dem Presidential candidates get called out on their lies. Goes with the territory.
     
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    LOL. Yeah, I guess I could have waited for Rachel Maddow or Jim Acosta to write something along those lines. But since those people can hardly move their lips without lying or spewing nonsense that borders on rank insanity, what would be the point?

    Also, the source for this was the New York Times. So spin that for us, will you please?
     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/by/christopher-buskirk

    Nice try... it was a contributor's opinion piece in the New York Times, not a news article. You do know the difference? If you don't you are showing your ignorant side. If you do know the difference, you are showing your disingenuous side. I'll let you choose...
     
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    Well that just shifts my goal posts.
     
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    President Trump gets in a round of golf with Rush Limbaugh after being exonerated of any charges regarding the Democrat left conspiracy theory regarding him conspiring with the Russians to steal the 2016 presidential election from Hillary Clinton. As it turns out, it was all lies.

    Trump golfs with Rush Limbaugh day after Mueller report release

    President Trump played golf on Friday with conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh, one day after the release of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report on the Russia investigation. The White House said Trump played a round with "Limbaugh and a couple friends,” without naming them. The foursome teed off at the president’s private golf club in West Palm Beach, Fla.​

    Nice to see the President relaxing and enjoying his big win over the corrupt establishment elites who have so steadfastly opposed him using the most despicable political tactics and abuses of government power that any of us have ever seen or are ever likely to see.
     
  16. dmoneybangbang

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    “All lies”? No according to the Mueller Report! I thought a Republican controlled government started the Mueller Investigation?

    Trump tweeted Bullshit! Trailed off as dotards usually do then went to play golf.

    How much golf does this guy play?
     
  17. NewRoxFan

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    I guess taking a day off from the enormous weight of guilt (who am I kidding, trump would never feel guilt)... but seems odd that the president of the united states would take the day off important matters involving the security of our country to play golf with a far right wing talk show host and indicted felon... why isn't he working on the border crisis? If there was only someone around to tweet about it...

     
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    More likely, now that the media has reported on and the public has read the report...

     
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    Dangerous levels of stupidity here.

    Perhaps if the Mueller report were delivered in cartoon form, he would understand what is happening.
     
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