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Energy Independence + Job Creation

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Mar 28, 2017.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    Which is much better than coal.
     
  2. Amiga

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    we should all be sleeping at night

    it's nature and natural
     
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    It's always good to call out the lies of a sitting president. Trump has managed more than anyone else over such a short period of time.
     
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    When I think about economic progress, I always think first: how much is my government going to make?
     
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    Is that a question?

    Do you think they are blowing up Trump's lie about Foxconn because of how much the govt. will make? The government making money is a by-product of a positive economy but not the determining factor.
     
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    ? I thought you are against wasteful government spending. Considering how much subsidies they are offering, Wisconsin might be better of & save some $$ just by paying the 3000 workers that they are forecasting directly and have them just sit around doing nothing. The notion that this factory can generate 13,000 jobs is simply absurd, even the 3000 number is very likely overly optimistic as well when you start considering the # of employees Sharp has in it's various existing LCD factories and that this new factory will most likely be far more automated.

    If not for the Wisconsin government bending over backwards and providing an obscene amount of subsidy, it doesn't even make sense for Sharp (Foxconn) to start yet another LCD factory. Sharp already have several existing LCD factories operating way under capacity & the industry trend is shifting toward OLEDs (just look at what's happening to Japan Display Inc aka the combined LCD business from Toshiba, Sony and Hitachi)

    Fortunately, there's a good chance this "investment" will not materialize. Foxconn's supposed big multi-billion dollar investments rarely ever materialize (India, Brazil, Indonesia, Vietnam etc)
     
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    You are a self-professed socialist; am I not mistaken?
     
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    Heck yeah, I am. That is correct.
     
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    Appears trump's success with the coal industry is about as good as it was with saving jobs at Carrier...

    A year after Trump's election, coal's future remains bleak
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...tion-coals-future-remains-bleak-idUSKBN1DD0IA
     
  11. Rocket River

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    Meanwhile those guys are refusing to be retrained. . . . . to learn
    Cause they think that they should earn 70k without even having a High School diploma

    Rocket River
     
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    They don't want handouts (that's for the non-white parasites).

    They don't like unions anymore even if they're displaying the worst of unionized behavior (socialist bastards).

    Learning breaks their "rich tradition of hard working" (anything remotely sounding like college is a money grabbing scam by the left)

    Taxes besides handouts for them are useless (because America is falling apart on the Democrats watch).

    But they do like having special welfare without it being called an entitlement. Their love for liars who promote that has been fiercely exceptional.

    Did I hit the right dog whistles?
     
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    Who would have known it was not the government that is killing the coal industry?
     
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    and they like to flip flop between pro-capitalism and pro-state controlled economy depending on the issues, but think they are some kind of pure anti-commie warrior
     
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    I can actually respect people who vote their self interest, even if it is misguided, so I have no problem with coal miners voting for Trump, even if he did make promises he cannot keep. There are plenty more people who are voting against their self interest and don't even know about it.
     
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    Coal minors were a small minority of the public. They're more symbolic of "white plight" than an actual voting bloc.

    And they want the Lannister to keep his promises.
     
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    You are right of course, I just respect people who have a legitimate reason to vote one way or another instead of voting because they want to build a wall or keep TG from certain bathrooms, etc.
     
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    I agree. That coal miners are voting in their own self-interest isn't surprising or troubling. That coal miners interests play an outsized role in politics is.
     
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    Because coal miners represent a helluva lot more than actual coal mines. A lot of my college educated friends and family members in the GOP worship American coal as a symbol of American industry and prosperity and see it failing as nothing less than an assault on "real America" (their words, not mine) by liberal p***y elites who worship the environment.

    It probably doesn't hurt that Russia and China- who I'm told we're losing too (without further clarification)- also use a **** ton of coal. Make no mistake, our love of coal in this country is 1/10th coal miners voting in self interest and 9/10ths of an aesthetic.
     
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    The irony is humorous. Original enemy was that the subsidized renewables were destroying coal. Now the DOE's NOPR seeks to subsidize coal. So much for economics.
     

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