Colin Kaepernick protests anthem due to treatment of minorities

That's no way to talk about Beyonce.

 

It's a bit of a strawman you have there.

Besides, capitalism fails when it comes to things like Healthcare and Education, I think there's more than enough proof to show that.

 

No, it's not. Nike sales are up 31% and most of those sales are certainly coming from liberals. The Kaepernick debate is a battle of the political radicals on each side of the aisle. Most of America doesn't give a damn about it.

There is proof that hampered capitalism fails. Our health care has not and has never been free market. Ever wonder why you can buy car insurance across state lines but not health care? Because it isn't a free market, it is the allusion of a free market. I am fine with socialized medicine if we weren't going to make healthcare an open market, but i am against Obamacare because it is bad socialized medicine. Stop wasting trillions of dollars and just opt for Medicare for all, or make healthcare truly an open market (not gonna happen).

And I'm not sure what the hell you mean about education. Private schools are far and above public schools. Education is a social service either way, and it's failures are a direct result of government ineptitude, not capitalism. We collect upwards of $10 trillion dollars per year in tax revenue, there is plenty of funding for education, we just choose not to properly fund it.

 

It's a strawman because I've yet to hear someone from the left say that private businesses should be shut down in the first place.

So then it's not hypocritical at all for people to defend NIKE's decision because who is actually advocating for eliminating private businesses?

I don't want to get too far off topic so I'm not going to address the rest of your post here, besides, those things will come up again I am sure...but when you look at how other countries do things it's obvious that the USA's approach needs a lot of work. Just letting the market decide everything or taking the position that the free market always wins seems to ignore that corporations love to take shortcuts and cut corners to improve their bottomline, and when it comes to basic rights and necessities then this isn't always a good thing.

 

This is hilarious... 13.3 million voters voted for an anti-business, socialist candidate in the DNC primary. I said capitalism always wins. The left has been attacking capitalism since their inception. To say otherwise is hilariously sad and/or straight up delusional.

 

Again, this is a complete strawman.

Bernie said nothing about ending private businesses like NIKE, regulating big businesses is not ending them, nor is it 'anti-business' nor is it attacking capitalism.

Being for workers unions is not anti-business.

So many people get on NIKE for sweatshops, the same sweatshops that the USA used to have before...well...workers unions. I guess for you this is 'Anti-capitalism' for me it is fair labor.

 

Seriously, what world do you live in? The Liberal political agenda has and continues to be filled with policies that limit the power and freedom of business. That is in and of itself is inherently anti-capitalism.

And I have absolutely no clue how you can say with a straight face that Bernie Sanders isn't anti-business. He's a self-confessed socialist and has been his entire career.

 

Do you think ending sweatshops is anti-business?

Being pro-regulation and pro-worker isn't anti-business. That's how I say it with a straight face.

 

I'm totally pro-worker. I don't Age Discriminate either. Children are the best at assembling tiny iphone parts. Elderly are okay too, I guess as long as they don't complain about taking mandatory anti-business breaks. If they want to rock diapers, let everyone rock diapers and save a few unneeded trips to the restroom. Waste of space and time! At least you don't hear migrant workers complaining about restroom breaks while picking our food on the fields!!

Communist China gets it right at some things. Air quality is fake science when you see them huff and puff away at building assembling cheap yet consumer worthy Wal-mart products. When's the last time pampered Americans assembled anything?? Ikea?

Puh-lease. Socialist non-English speaking 2-bit garbage.

At the Silly Valley, where I'm successful and privileged, 60 hr workweeks are the norm and not the exception. The cream rises to the top they say. You don't want to be at the "other building" where the contractors and the unprivileged classes roost.

Now let us all hope and pray my options are worth something so I can upgrade my status above you tree hugging plebs.

 

new one

 

Tariffs and trade wars are definitely one of those policies.

 

I don't disagree. Conservatives aren't happy with Trump's tariffs... and Trump isn't a conservative.

 

hard to argue with much if not most of this

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/colin-kaepernick-nike-ad-democrats-midterm-message/

more at the link

 

I disagree with almost all of it. The Democratic people that are winning primaries against established politicians are indeed talking about issues such as healthcare, social security, education, things that matter to folks. The GOP is focusing on kneeling at football games and how much money people from California donate to their opposition.

Furthermore, the kneeling isn't an opposition to the flag or to America. That is the misleading argument put out by the GOP and other conservatives.

 

I don't know about that. The main point of the piece is to emphasize that the Kapernick buzz appeals to people who are already in solidly-Democratic strongholds, and a bad place to plant the flag in areas that went solidly-Trump last time:

"For another, you can be sure that the unemployed quarterback, like the similarly jobless Hillary Clinton, rolled up huge margins of support in population centers like New York City and Philadelphia and Chicago, which means he lost big in the areas that are politically contested."

So I take it the author's point is that the Kapernick flap is likely to backfire and bite Dems in the ass.

As far as what the "kneeling" is about . . . that has been a confused issue since Day One. The only "misleading argument" about all of this it is the supposed explanation of the kneeling itself. Hence the point "The misbehavior of a few police officers means the police in general should be reviled. And if we revile the police the entire American project is to be rebuked by protesting the anthem." The fact that so many people disagree over how to interpret the protest act of kneeling is a sign of how ambiguous the kneeling is as a protest.

 

Well, speaking for myself. I tried to care and get into the kneeling thing and Nike, and I just don't really care about it much. The issue doesn't appeal to me. I have friends on social media that are liberal, conservative, and some die-hard Trump supporters. I don't see the Democrat ones discussing the issue at all, except to ask that if Trump supporters are going to trash their Nike products, maybe they could donate them instead. The Trump crowd is up in arms about it and talks about it all the time. The same seems to be true of the right-leaning Fox News and left-leaning MSNBC. Fox News talks about it much more than the MSNBC.

The idea that police should be reviled isn't the point of kneeling either. The point of it is to help make necessary reforms to an issue that minorities face.

But if we are talking about Law and Order as an issue for either party, the Republicans and Trump have ceded that issue. They have attacked the credibility of the nation's top law enforcement agency over and over. Trump and his team do this all the time. Then there is also the fact that Trump's team getting indicted, convicted, and pleading guilty to crimes.

Law and order used to be a strong point for the Republicans but they gave up that issue when the hitched themselves to the Trump wagon.

This isn't the issue that Democrats are energized about, discuss at speeches, talk about in interviews, or introduce resolutions to address in Congress.

So the idea that Democrats are somehow getting distracted from slamming Trump to take up the kneeling protest banner just isn't accurate.

 

well, again I think that rather proves the point the essay was making--I agree with you that there is no evidence that "Democrats are somehow getting distracted from slamming Trump to take up the kneeling protest banner." The point is that the Kapernick/Nike issue has the power or potential to energize or re-energize the Trumpian base (and I see this with my own far-right acquaintances on social media), which can only hurt the Democrats in the long run. And in the short term could affect the upcoming midterm elections.

 

I see. Yes, that might energize the Trump base. But I thought the article was saying that the Democrats were shooting themselves in the foot by putting this issue forward.

 

The inside joke from the article's viewpoint is that the demo Nike is courting with the Kap campaign are generally people who:
A) Can't vote
B) Don't believe in the voting process
C) Believe they need to be enticed or rewarded for voting...at only the highest of levels (Brothers of another Bernie mother)

None of those traits Nike care about. Those groups do buy buy buy and self promote like none other on social media. That's their bottom line. Not some socialist soros-driven anti-flag agenduh

These vocal supporters are political hot air and doesn't truly represent what the Dem voting classes across the nation are thinking or caring about in their day to day.

It's also why Dem politicians are spineless and can't commit despite saying all the progressive things. Obama confessed to giving up in his 3rd-5th years on the grassroots (the same grassroots that allowed him to avoid campaign finance controls the first time) and getting a better ROI with business leaders who got things moving.

I'm not sure if Con thought leaders truly believe libs are one homogenous voting bloc like right leaning voters are, or if they play up the fear of the enemy being and acting as one to invoke solidarity within.

Not that it has to be mutually exclusive.