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Race a factor in Tennessee senate race

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Dec 20, 2006.

  1. basso

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    not.

    [rquoter]"Is America Ready?"

    "Is America Ready?" That's the question posed on the cover of this week's Newsweek featuring Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, a recent Newsweek poll, and other recent national surveys conducted by Gallup, Fox News, NBC/Wall Street Journal, Rasmussen Reports and Cook/RT Strategies. The question of whether U.S. voters are ready to elect a woman, an African American - or a Mormon for that matter - is something that political junkies will presumably continue to ponder for the course of the 2008 campaign. For those pondering such a question now, let me suggest a resource (and interview with Democratic pollster Celinda Lake) and one possibly overlooked point (about the candidacy of Harold Ford, Jr.).

    In an interview that aired over the weekend (via an AAPOR member), my long-ago boss Celinda Lake spoke with NPR's Scott Simon about the challenges of asking the kinds of questions included in most of the recent surveys. Although she was understandably vague, given the nature of the brief interview, about how she arrived at her conclusions, Lake argued that 5 to 10 percent of voters lie on such questions, giving "tell the interviewer what they believe is the politically correct thing to say." She also made this notable observation:

    It's very hard to poll now because people are reading in partisanship. So where Republicans and Democrats used to be equally supportive of a woman for president, when you ask that now, Republicans are less supportive because they assume you mean Hillary Clinton.

    The same question - Is America ready for a woman or an African American president - also came up at the post-election conference I attended last week, and the four pollsters generally agreed that a race involving Clinton or Obama was not likely to be about race or gender. Many pointed to the Tennessee Senate race as evidence that the race of Democrat Harold Ford Jr. did little to limit his appeal. Several panelists throughout the day said that given the partisanship, Ford did as well as any Democrat could have, adding that a candidate like Jim Webb won in Virginia only because Virginia is less Republican than Tennessee.

    The exit polls for Tennessee and Virginia tend to support that point. Both Democratic candidates received exactly the same percentage of support from Democratic partisans. Ford's race was certainly no unique barrier to those that identified as Democrats, although Webb did slightly better among independents (though one might quibble about the statistical significance of that difference. Similarly, in the Maryland Senate race, African American Republican Michael Steele did precisely as well among Republicans (94%) as Corker in Tennessee and Allen in Virginia.

    [​IMG]

    Of course, one point made by both Celinda Lake in her NPR interview and Democratic pollster Harrison Hickman at the Cook Conference is that people think of presidents, and evaluate potential presidents, differently than Senators and Governors. As with all of the most interesting questions, we will have to wait and see what the political future holds. [/rquoter]
     
  2. Achilleus

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    Why arent there any white half backs in the NFL?
     
  3. basso

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    sorry batman, looks like tennessee is no more racist than the rest of the country, and the "racist bimbo" ad had no effect.
     
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    ...certainly not the first time Batman has been proven a liar... and undoubtedly not the last...

    But it's ok when liberals throw out the racist/bigot/xenophobic taunt with no way to substantiate it. In their intellectually dishonest minds at least...

    no cred
     
  5. Major

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    You drew that conclusion from this? Dude, you need remedial statistics - nothing in this article indicates one way or another anything about the racist bimbo ad. The only way to analyze that is to look at pollings surrounding the event.
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    not necessarily. The polls show Dem vs. Rep vs. Ind. voting.

    Since Corker won a larger percentage of independents in Tenn. than in the other elections, the racist ad certainly could have provided the difference.
     
  7. SamFisher

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    Cut him some slack, basso is desperate to win a thread before the year is out. Thus far he is 0-673.
     
  8. vlaurelio

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    50% against 56% - 6% more is just slightly better.. what is the author trying to prove again?

    I think one thing that this poll proves is race is difintely NOT a factor among dems.. and the bimbo ad was intended to sway voters based on race.. it just so happened that the dems saw through that..
     
  9. Batman Jones

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    I could point out Ford's sizeable and increasing lead before the racist ad that disappeared after the ad, but it would fall on the deaf ears of a guy who gets his news from some top secret website that scoops the idea that liberals invented the super Jewy name Felix in order to tar George Allen.

    p.s. to Jorge. "Proven a liar?" "Not the first time?" Links? TIA, sugar. You have been warned. Cereally.
     
  10. basso

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    forget to eat your wheaties this morning?
     
  11. Batman Jones

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    Naw, I'm just bummed out because I haven't been laid in ten years. Teach me how to be a stud like you. (Do I have to be really, really dumb? I can learn!)
     
  12. bnb

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    So we've concluded Democrats aren't racist. Republicans may be (but that was a given) and it looks like Independents are??

    This is truely bizarre.

    (Or perhaps voters Do see through this crap??? Naah...can't be. Doesn't fit with the midset).

    PS -- you forgot your link basso....
     
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    These numbers don't tell you anything about any of that. For this thread to mean anything at all it would have to include the polling before and after the racist ad created by John McCain's new campaign manager. I wonder what he'll come up with for Obama. What do you think, basso? Too black or not black enough?
     
  15. basso

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    if you'd spent any time at all in tennessee, and i lived there for five years, you'd know ford's family was his biggest problem. here's the latest example:

    http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section_id=33&screen=news&news_id=53729

    [rquoter]ohn Ford indicted on new federal fraud charges
    By Jared Allen, jallen@nashvillecitypaper.com
    December 18, 2006

    Former State Sen. John Ford is expected to turn himself into federal authorities and be placed under arrest this afternoon on six counts of fraud and concealment, U.S. Attorney Craig S. Morford announced this morning.

    Morford on Monday unsealed the six-count federal indictment, which charges that Ford engaged in two separate long-running schemes to defraud the public and pocket his own consulting fees by hooking up two companies – one of which he jointly owned – with millions of dollars in TennCare contracts.

    According to the indictment, Ford himself took in over $800,000 in consulting fees from the two companies, the Pennsylvania-based Managed Care Services Group (MCSG) and the Michigan-based United American Health Care Corporation (UACH).

    Ford was a 40 percent owner in MCSG, the indictment alledges.

    The Memphis senator resigned from the State Senate last year after being indicted on federal corruption charges for his involvement in the Tennessee Waltz sting operation.

    Ford pled not guilty to all charges in his Tennessee Waltz indictment.

    This latest joint FBI-TBI investigation into Ford is unrelated to Tennessee Waltz, federal officials said Monday morning.

    However, the investigation that resulted in Monday’s indictment is similar in many respects to Tennessee Waltz, in which the FBI created a fake company to catch lawmakers accepting bribes to promote that company’s interests at the Capitol.

    While the two companies involved in the current corruption case are real, the indictment alleges that Ford promised and took great lengths to provide the two with lucrative TennCare contracts in exchange for heafty consulting fees.

    The indictment charges Ford with usurping his duty to advocate the public’s interest ahead of his own, and with failing to disclose his personal relationships with the entities he was promoting.

    “The indictment that we released today is based on a very simple premise, that the people of Tennessee have a right to expect honest services from their public officials,” Morford said. “The indictment alleges that Sen. Ford deprived the people of the state of Tennessee of that right.”

    Ford is expected to make his first appearance in federal court in Nashville on Tuesday before U.S. District Court Judge Aleta Trauger.

    For more on this story, read Tuesday’s City Paper.[/rquoter]

    and his dad is a corrupt machine politician from the old school.
     
  16. basso

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    probably a video of his wife talking about her baby daddy.
     
  17. Batman Jones

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    I don't have to spend time in Tennessee to figure out that Corker tried to visit the sins of his family on him. I can read. And since I can read, I also know that Ford was winning in TN before the racist ad that everyone but you knew was racist but that you thought was hunky dory. Then again, you thought Felix was a Jewish name (and a made up one to boot!). You can bring up old, non-starter issues from the campaign if you want (just as I can bring up the fact that Corker -- not his family, actually him!! -- couldn't get freaking 911 to work when he was mayor). It doesn't change the fact that Ford started losing after the racist ad nor does it change the fact that this thread is as dumb as any of the ones you start.
     
  18. Batman Jones

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    Tee hee! The Republican smear machine is funny! Especially when it gets racist!
     
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    Well....FB said the results showed the ad could have impacted the independent vote. VLaurelio concluded that race was definitely not a factor for Dems.

    The rest of the thread has been the usual christmas banter about getting laid, who's a bigger poopy-head and some guy named felix.
     
  20. Batman Jones

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    Again, these numbers tell you zero in a vaccuum. It's not racist to vote for a white guy instead of a black guy. It is racist to change your vote from the black guy to the white guy after an ad that implies that the black guy likes to **** white girls. Of course, basso leaves out the pre-ad numbers because they would prove (for the what? trillionth time?) that he was wrong and dumb.
     

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