The most famous women through history were bad girls or righteous saints. Good role models? I ask you. What are other possible reasons why women are so difficult?
What category do the following fall into: Golda Maeier Jackie Kennedy Onassis Gloria Steinem Betsy Ross Martha Washington Abigail Adams Babe Zaharias Amelia Earhardt (the list goes on and on) All of the above are famous, but I would categorize none of them as 'bad girls' or 'saints', just normal women who are quite famous for one reason or another.
heyp - there are many people who believe that the qualities we dislike in others are really only mirrors of the qualities that we dislike in ourselves. So could it, in fact, be that you are difficult?
Mrs JB is a saint DiSeAsEd MoNkEy is a bad girl, who promotes fisting. I ask you: What Women are more famous on this bbs? Bobrek I said "most" not "all." And I accept your challenge. Golda Maeier -- there's 1 Jackie Kennedy Onassis -- behaving Queens/Princesses are good righteous Saints Gloria Steinem -- Extremist Bad Girl Betsy Ross -- a famous seamstress???...wow Martha Washington -- see Jackie Abigail Adams -- see Jackie Babe Zaharias -- I said "Most famous" Amelia Earhardt -- there's 2 Come on now, give me the list. Should I start with mythology? How about the Middle Ages? Rennaissance? Pop Culture? Should I start with bad girls like Elizabeth Taylor and Madonna, or something more in present. hehehehehe How about religion? Eve was a bad girl. Mary was a saint. The other Mary was a bad girl. Mother Teresa is a saint. Politics? Anne Boleyn: bad girl. She got the Divine King excommunicated. hehe Queen Elizabeth would have been sainted had her dad not been excommunicated. hehe Joan of Arc: really bad girl. Pocahontas: a righteous saint who would do anything to perserve peace, even if it meant running around John Smith's fort naked as a teen. hmmm, I bet some of those puritan woman of the fort thought she was a bad girl. speaking of making history by running around naked, how about Lady Godiva. Bad Girl. And she was a tax protester to boot. Totally misbehaving. Cleopatra: anyone who rolls herself up in an oriental rug and gives herself as a gift to Caesar is a bad girl. Plus, anyone whose role Elizabeth Taylor accepted to play must be a bad girl. How about Fiction and Mythology? Juliet: Bad Girl Medusa: plain evil Pandora: oooh...very bad Sirens: Bad Girls Cassandra: Bad Girl <b>This list goes on and on</b>
I'd also like to add that many female saints (and saints in general) were hated and sainted for their disobedience...thus, bad girls. which leads me to others: Eva Peron...loved as a saint by the masses and hated as a tramp by the power class. She's the rare Saint and Bad Girl. Frida was definitely a rebellious bad girl growing up in school with Diego Rivera. She liked to swear and tell dirty jokes. And had an affair with Trotsky for Christssake (no pun intended). Bad Girl
(thinking the reverse is also true) Ahhhh.....now I know why I like you! Actually, I've been in that camp for a good while now... RR
ooh, to further add to the list of famous women from the BBS. jenna: Bad Girl who loved Karl Malone....biotch Where are the famous moderates in Female BBS History? You know, disarming geeks like Dr of Dunk and rockHEAD? Why do most women have to be on the extremes of behaving to be famous? You see how it works; they either won't go out with you because they are Bad Girls and you aren't bad enough, or they are Good Girls and you aren't worthy of their chastity. I mean, how many Female Saints were beheaded for not having sex. St Agatha (the Patron Saint of Breast Cancer) had her breasts cut off. Women are so damn difficult sometimes.
This is fun...here are some more... Indira Ghandi Wilma Rudolph Barbara Walters Dian Fossey Marie Curie Susan B Anthony (by the way, Babe Zaharias was arguably the greatest female athlete of her era, so I would consider her part of the 'most famous' list)
Setting aside the gender issue for a moment, when were men not treated the same way? Ghandi: Hero/Saint Hitler: Bad boy Women are glorified no differently then men. Until they start promoting the exploits of John Smith, low-level accountant at a medium-sized accounting firm with a wife, two kids and a dog named Rover in Des Moines, Iowa, I can't see it any differently.
Wilma Rudolph....OK you can have all your sports stars...but Babe Zahariaz...please. Barbara Walters....let's allow history to call her famous first, unless you want me to open the Pandora's Box of Pop Culture in this thread, starting with Jane Fonda....hehehe Dian Fossey please...not famous enough, besides she epitomizes extremist troublemaker. She liked another species better than her own. Susan B Anthony Ms ""I know nothing but woman and her disfranchised" was a disobedient Extremist Bad Girl (leader of Woman Suffrage) just like Gloria Stenheim. Sorry, she makes my list. Thanks for reminding me. Ooh, so I claim Elizabeth Cady Stanton as well. All troublemakers...not Moderate centrists like Dr of Dunk in the least. So, you get Indhira Gandhi. It is a wash.
<b>What is your point, heyparter</b> So, anyhow, heyschweetie pointed out a bumper sticker today that made her laugh, it said "The only famous woman from history were disobedient." It was on a Lesbian's car. LOL! So, I thought I'd check out that theory. Oh, come now, Jeff. You really believe woman get a fair shake? Why were so many killed or villified? There is a huge long, very long list of famous men who were not extremist martyred or hated, glorified merely as doers who did what they were asked, and did it extremely well. Plato Aristotle nearly every Renaissance artist nearly every explorer/discoverer Several Kings/Warriors Scores of Philosophers and Scientists Scores of writers who were no vilified Women from history seem to have to be extremists to get famous, often with tragic results.
Finally, after seven posts we get to the actual crux of your theory. Why didn't you just post it like this in the first place? Are your posts purposfully inscrutable or is this something you just can't help?
Ann Richards Eleanor Roosevelt Abby Cohen Marie Curie Madeline Albright Margret Thatcher Oprah Winfrey
Because I was testing a theory based on the bumper sticker on a Lesbian's car that made my schweetie laugh. What? You thought I was a Bad Boy or something. Which reminds me... As Jeff says, there are male Bad Boys and Saints....just like Bad Girls and Saintly ones but what about the plethora of Good Ole Boys vs Good Ole Gals. lol!
