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Hindsight is 20/20...which player from the NBA drafts 1998-2003 would you want now?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by AroundTheWorld, Oct 28, 2004.

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  1. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Member

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    I indicated my choices in bold.

    1998: Nowitzki (9th pick)
    1999: Kirilenko (24th pick)
    2000: Redd (43rd pick) (arguably Kenyon Martin, but I don't think he is much more valuable than Redd)
    2001: Gasol (3rd pick)
    2002: Yao Ming (1st pick)
    2003: Lebron James (1st pick)

    What would be your choices?



    2003 NBA Draft
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    1st Round
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    1. Cleveland LeBron James
    2. Detroit Darko Milicic
    3. Denver Carmelo Anthony
    4. Toronto Chris Bosh
    5. Miami Dwyane Wade
    6. Clippers Chris Kaman
    7. Chicago Kirk Hinrich
    8. Milwaukee T.J. Ford
    9. New York Michael Sweetney
    10. Wachington Jarvis Hayes
    11. Golden State Mickael Pietrus
    12. Seattle Nick Collison
    13. Memphis Marcus Banks
    14. Seattle Luke Ridnour
    15. Orlando Reece Gaines
    16. Boston Troy Bell
    17. Phoenix Zarko Cabarkapa
    18. New Orleans David West
    19. Utah Aleksandar Pavlovic
    20. Boston Dahntay Jones
    21. Atlanta Boris Diaw
    22. New Jersey Zoran Planinic
    23. Portland Travis Outlaw
    24. Lakers Brian Cook
    25. Detroit Carlos Delfino
    26. Minnesota Ndudi Ebi
    27. Memphis Kendrick Perkins
    28. San Antonio Leandrinho Barbosa
    29. Dallas Josh Howard


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    2002 NBA Draft
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    1st Round
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    1. Yao Ming Shanghai Sharks-China Houston
    2. Jay Williams Duke Chicago
    3. Mike Dunleavy Duke Golden State
    4. Drew Gooden Kansas Memphis
    5. N. Tskitishvili Benetton Treviso-Italy Denver
    6. Dajuan Wagner Memphis Cleveland
    7. Maybyner Hilario Vasco de Gama-Brazil New York
    8. Chris Wilcox Maryland LA Clippers
    9. Amare Stoudemire Cypress Creek (FL) HS Phoenix
    10. Caron Butler Connecticut Miami
    11. Jared Jeffries Indiana Washington
    12. Melvin Ely Fresno State LA Clippers
    13. Marcus Haislip Tennessee Milwaukee
    14. Frederick Jones Oregon Indiana
    15. Bostjan Nachbar Benneton Treviso-Italy Houston
    16. Jiri Welsch Olimpija-Slovenia Philadelphia
    17. Juan Dixon Maryland Washington
    18. Curtis Borchardt Stanford Orlando
    19. Ryan Humphrey Notre Dame Utah
    20. Kareem Rush Missouri Toronto
    21. Qyntel Woods NE Mississippi CC Portland
    22. Casey Jacobsen Stanford Phoenix
    23. Tayshaun Prince Kentucky Detroit
    24. Nenad Krstic Partizan-Yugoslavia New Jersey
    25. Frank Williams Illinois Denver
    26. John Salmons Miami (FL) San Antonio
    27. Chris Jefferies Fresno State LA Lakers
    28. Dan Dickau Gonzaga Sacramento

    (Minnesota forfeited its first round pick, which would have been #23 or #24
    overall. Second round selections start at #30.)


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    2001 NBA Draft
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    1st Round
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    1. Kwame Brown Glynn (GA) Academy Washington
    2. Tyson Chandler Dominguez (CA) HS LA Clippers
    3. Pau Gasol FC Barcelona (Spain) Atlanta
    4. Eddy Curry Thornwood (IL) HS Chicago
    5. Jason Richardson Michigan State Golden State
    6. Shane Battier Duke Vancouver
    7. Eddie Griffin Seton Hall New Jersey
    8. DeSagana Diop Oak Hill (VA) Academy Cleveland
    9. Rodney White Charlotte Detroit
    10. Joe Johnson Arkansas Boston
    11. Kedrick Brown Okaloosa-Walton (FL) CC Boston
    12. Vladimir Radmanovic FMP Zeleznik (Yugo) Seattle
    13. Richard Jefferson Arizona Houston
    14. Troy Murphy Notre Dame Golden State
    15. Steven Hunter DePaul Orlando
    16. Kirk Haston Indiana Charlotte
    17. Michael Bradley Villanova Toronto
    18. Jason Collins Stanford Houston
    19. Zach Randolph Michigan State Portland
    20. Brendan Haywood North Carolina Cleveland
    21. Joseph Forte North Carolina Boston
    22. Jeryl Sasser Southern Methodist Orlando
    23. Brandon Armstrong Pepperdine Houston
    24. Raul Lopez Real Madrid (Spain) Utah
    25. Gerald Wallace Alabama Sacramento
    26. Samuel Dalembert Seton Hall Philadelphia
    27. Jamaal Tinsley Iowa State Vancouver
    28. Tony Parker Basket Racing (France) San Antonio

    (Minnesota forfeited its first round pick, which would have been #17 overall.
    Second round selections start at #30.)



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    2000 NBA Draft
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    1st Round
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    1. Kenyon Martin Cincinnati New Jersey
    2. Stromile Swift Louisiana State Vancouver
    3. Darius Miles East St. Louis (IL) HS LA Clippers
    4. Marcus Fizer Iowa State Chicago
    5. Mike Miller Florida Orlando
    6. DerMarr Johnson Cincinnati Atlanta
    7. Chris Mihm Texas Chicago
    8. Jamal Crawford Michigan Cleveland
    9. Joel Przybilla Minnesota Houston
    10. Keyon Dooling Missouri Orlando
    11. Jerome Moiso UCLA Boston
    12. Etan Thomas Syracuse Dallas
    13. Courtney Alexander Fresno State Orlando
    14. Mateen Cleaves Michigan State Detroit
    15. Jason Collier Georgia Tech Milwaukee
    16. Hidayet Turkoglu Efes Pilsen (Turkey) Sacramento
    17. Desmond Mason Oklahoma State Seattle
    18. Quentin Richardson DePaul LA Clippers
    19. Jamaal Magloire Kentucky Charlotte
    20. Craig Claxton Hofstra Philadelphia
    21. Morris Peterson Michigan State Toronto
    22. Donnell Harvey Florida New York
    23. DeShawn Stevenson Washington Union (CA) HS Utah
    24. Dalibor Bagaric Benston Zagreb (Croatia) Chicago
    25. Iakovos Tsakalidis AEK (Greece) Phoenix
    26. Mamadou N'diaye Auburn Denver
    27. Primoz Brezec Olimpija (Slovenia) Indiana
    28. Erick Barkley St. John's Portland
    29. Mark Madsen Stanford LA Lakers
    (...)
    43. Michael Redd Ohio State Milwaukee

    (Damn, that was a weak draft.)



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    1999 NBA Draft
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    1. Elton Brand Duke Chicago
    2. Steve Francis Maryland Vancouver
    3. Baron Davis UCLA Charlotte
    4. Lamar Odom Rhode Island LA Clippers
    5. Jonathan Bender Picayune (MS) HS Toronto
    6. Wally Szczerbiak Miami (OH) Minnesota
    7. Richard Hamilton Connecticut Washington
    8. Andre Miller Utah Cleveland
    9. Shawn Marion Nevada-Las Vegas Phoenix
    10. Jason Terry Arizona Atlanta
    11. Trajan Langdon Duke Cleveland
    12. Aleksander Radojevic Barton County (KS) CC Toronto
    13. Corey Maggette Duke Seattle
    14. William Avery Duke Minnesota
    15. Frederic Weis Limoges (France) New York
    16. Ron Artest St John's Chicago
    17. Cal Bowdler Old Dominion Atlanta
    18. James Posey Xavier Denver
    19. Quincy Lewis Minnesota Utah
    20. Dion Glover Georgia Tech Atlanta
    21. Jeff Foster Southwest Texas State Golden State
    22. Kenny Thomas New Mexico Houston
    23. Devean George Augsburg LA Lakers
    24. Andrei Kirilenko CSKA Moscow (Russia) Utah
    25. Tim James Miami (FL) Miami
    26. Vonteego Cummings Pittsburgh Indiana
    27. Jumaine Jones Georgia Atlanta
    28. Scott Padgett Kentucky Utah
    29. Leon Smith King (IL) HS San Antonio

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    1998 NBA Draft
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    1st Round
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    1. Michael Olowokandi Pacific LA Clippers
    2. Mike Bibby Arizona Vancouver
    3. Raef LaFrentz Kansas Denver
    4. Antawn Jamison North Carolina Toronto
    5. Vince Carter North Carolina Golden State
    6. Robert Traylor Michigan Dallas
    7. Jason Williams Florida Sacramento
    8. Larry Hughes St Louis Philadelphia
    9. Dirk Nowitzki DJK Wurzberg (Germany) Milwaukee
    10. Paul Pierce Kansas Boston
    11. Bonzi Wells Ball State Detroit
    12. Michael Doleac Utah Orlando
    13. Keon Clark Nevada-Las Vegas Orlando
    14. Michael Dickerson Arizona Houston
    15. Matt Harpring Georgia Tech Orlando
    16. Bryce Drew Valparaiso Houston
    17. Radislav Nesterovic Kinder Bologna (Italy) Minnesota
    18. Mirsad Turkcan Efes Pilsen (Turkey) Houston
    19. Pat Garrity Notre Dame Milwaukee
    20. Roshown McLeod Duke Atlanta
    21. Ricky Davis Iowa Charlotte
    22. Brian Skinner Baylor LA Clippers
    23. Tyronn Lue Nebraska Denver
    24. Felipe Lopez St John's San Antonio
    25. Al Harrington St Patrick's (NJ) HS Indiana
    26. Sam Jacobson Minnesota LA Lakers
    27. Vladimir Stepania Olympia (Slovenia) Seattle
    28. Corey Benjamin Oregon State Chicago
    29. Nazr Mohammed Kentucky Utah
     
    #1 AroundTheWorld, Oct 28, 2004
  2. Samar

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    Im sorry but this thread is kinda pointless. The only thing different the rockets should have done each one of those years is not draft Nachbar. Even then he was supposed to be decent. So nobody can predict the future so theres no point in dwelling in the past.
     
    #2 Samar, Oct 28, 2004
  3. JumpMan

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    1998: Coin flip between Dirk Nowitski (9th pick) and Paul Pierce (10th pick)

    1999: Coin flip between Elton Brand (1st pick) and Steve Francis (2nd pick)

    2000: Kenyon Martin (1st pick) to me Redd is just a scorer.

    2001: Pau Gasol (3rd pick)

    2002: Yao Ming (1st pick)

    2003: Lebron James (1st pick)
     
    #3 JumpMan, Oct 28, 2004
  4. dreday

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    2003 NBA Draft LeBron James
    2002 NBA Draft Yao Ming
    2001 NBA Draft Pau Gasol
    2000 NBA Draft Kenyon Martin
    1999 NBA Draft Steve Francis
    1998 NBA Draft Dirk Nowitzki
     
    #4 dreday, Oct 28, 2004
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    So you think Kenny Thomas is a better player than Kirilenko?

    Anyway, nobody forced you to respond to this thread, so let those of us who wish to dwell in the past do so...
     
    #5 AroundTheWorld, Oct 28, 2004
  6. emjohn

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    I'm just going to look at the Rockets potential picks from those years.
    It's always unfair to do this, since (1) hindsight is 20/20, (2) many players' futures depend on the enviroment and system they are brought into (if Richard Jefferson were a Warrior, no way is he a near-max player), and (3) it's silly but needs are important. If you have a stud at a given position (especially point or center), why bring in another? Is filling a hole or grabbing the best available guy more important to winning? [for the record though, Portland was still dumb for not grabbing Jordan and either trading him or trying to convert Drexler to be a 3].


    2003 - no pick
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    2002
    1. Yao Ming Shanghai Sharks-China Houston
    -->Tons of critics second guessed this pick, but how's Can't Miss Williams now?
    15. Trade down for Tayshaun Prince or a future first
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    2001
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    I still find it hard to second guess the EG trade, if only because he really was that good on the court. At the same time, his passive play wasn't likely to change. I'm also not a fan of RJ. I'm certain that his miserable showing in the Olytmpics wasn't a fluke and expect him to be exposed as a second tier guy as NJ rebuilds.

    13. Troy Murphy
    18. Zach Randolph
    23. Tony Parker
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    2000 NBA Draft (As I recall, we were really hurting for size at this point - but that just goes to show how much a higher a stiff can go if they're over 6'10")
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    9. Jamaal Magloire
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    1999
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    22. Andrei Kirilenko
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    1998
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    14. Michael Dickerson
    16. Radislav Nesterovic
    18. Pat Garrity
     
    #6 emjohn, Oct 28, 2004
  7. JuanValdez

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    '99 was such a stong year:

    1. Elton Brand
    2. Steve Francis
    3. Baron Davis
    4. Lamar Odom
    5. Jonathan Bender
    6. Wally Szczerbiak
    7. Richard Hamilton
    8. Andre Miller
    9. Shawn Marion
    10. Jason Terry
    13. Corey Maggette
    16. Ron Artest
    18. James Posey
    22. Kenny Thomas
    23. Devean George
    24. Andrei Kirilenko
    27. Jumaine Jones
    28. Scott Padgett

    I'd still take Francis #1.
     
    #7 JuanValdez, Oct 28, 2004
  8. room4rentsf

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    are we picking the best players from each draft class? or drafting to put together the best team?

    My team would be..

    1998 - PPierce - SG
    1999 - RArtest - SF
    2000 - KMart - PF / SF
    2001 - PGasol - PF / C
    2002 - Yao - C
    2003 - DWade - PG

    I have the most well rounded roster.. I know I didnt pick some of the top players like Dirk or Lebron but I tried to choose a team I think would fit together and play well. Im not sure about Kmart and Artest being on the same team though..

    hehe oh well

    J
     
    #8 room4rentsf, Oct 28, 2004
  9. tierre_brown

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    I like your list SJC. Only thing I might do differently is MAYBE take Randolph instead of Pau in that 2001 draft. I only say that because, since we have hindsight, if we're going to have Yao, a Yao/Pau frontcourt is too redundant for my taste. A high post presence with a low post presence would be pretty sweet. Add in that lefty bomber on the wings (Redd), a 3pt bigman with range out to Germany (Dirk), a madman on the defensive end and an opportunist on the offensive end (AK), and the high school phenom (Lebron), that's a solid team.
     
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    Id have to go w/ Scott Padgett as #1 BUT Steve ant bad ether :)
     
    #10 shawn786, Oct 28, 2004
  11. FranchiseBoi86

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    I'd have to go with Eddie Griffin.
     
    #11 FranchiseBoi86, Oct 28, 2004
  12. Sir Geving

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    2003 Lebron James
    2002 Yao Ming
    2001 Zach Randolph
    2000 Michael Redd
    1999 Steve Francis
    1998 Dirk Nowitzki
     
    #12 Sir Geving, Oct 28, 2004
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    2003 - Lebron James
    2002 - Yao Ming
    2001 - Zach Randolph
    2000 - Michael Redd
    1999 - Baron Davis
    1998 - Paul Pierce
     
    #13 3814, Oct 28, 2004
  14. Samar

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    No cuz i have discussed this same topic with people and no matter how worked up you get about it, the fact is that at the time the decisions we made were not bad at all. Emjohn is right, who know if we would have kept Richard Jefferson, he could have turned into what eddie griffin is now. Same goes for AK47, we dont know how well he would do in Houston if we brought him in. So we can sit here and call CD the biggest idiot in Houston for not going with the picks that you said, but truthfully at the time his decisions were good.
     
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    who won all the Rookie of the Year awards...would be interesting.

    Lebron, Amare...
     
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    1998: Vince Carter: SG
    1999: Steve Francis: PG
    2000: Kenyon Martin: PF
    2001: Zach Randolph: PF/C
    2002: Amare Stoudamire: PF/C
    2003: Carmelo Anthony: SF
     
    #16 Bruce, Oct 28, 2004
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    2003 NBA Draft
    1. LeBron James
    7. Kirk Hinrich
    8. T.J. Ford

    2002 NBA Daft
    1. Yao Ming
    23. Tayshaun Prince

    2001 NBA Draft
    2. Tyson Chandler
    14. Troy Murphy
    19. Zach Randolph
    43. Michael Redd

    1999 NBA Draft
    1. Elton Brand
    7. Richard Hamilton
    24. Andrei Kirilenko

    1998 NBA Draft
    9. Dirk Nowitzki
     
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  18. hoang17

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    nachbar? that's the best you can do..clearly i wouldn't of drafted eddie "depressed pot-head" griffin. Compared to EG, boki looks like a draft genius.
     
    #18 hoang17, Oct 28, 2004
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    I think it would be more interesting if we knew the Rocket's picks
    in those drafts and who was available then

    Rocket River
     
    #19 Rocket River, Oct 28, 2004
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    2003- HOU traded #13 to MEM
    2002- HOU has #1, #15
    2001- HOU traded #13, #18, #23 to NJ for #7
    2000- HOU has #9
    1999- HOU has #22
    1998- HOU has #14, #16, #18
     
    #20 tierre_brown, Oct 28, 2004
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