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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. Amiga

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    Gun studies are rare because Congress decided that guns should not a public health issue (hello gun lobby). Thanks to donors, finally one study is possible.


    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/22/study-guns-owners-violence/90858752/

    The findings include:

    • An estimated 55 million Americans own guns.
    • The percentage of the U.S. population who own guns decreased slightly from 25% in 1994 to 22% last year.
    • Between 300,000 and 600,000 guns are stolen each year.
    • Gun owners tend to be white, male, conservative, and live in rural areas.
    • 25% of gun owners in America are white or multi-racial, compared with 16% of Hispanics and 14% of African Americans.
    • There are an estimated 111 million handguns nationwide, a 71% increase from the 65 million handguns in 1994.
    Overall, Americans own an estimated 265 million guns – more than one gun for every American adult, according to the study by researchers at Harvard and Northeastern universities. Half of those guns – 133 million – were in the hands of just 3% of American adults, so-called “super owners” who possessed an average of 17 guns each, it showed.

    Researchers found that the top reason people owned guns was for protection from other people, even though the rate of violent crime has dropped significantly the past two decades, said Deborah Azrael, director of research at the Harvard Injury Control Research Center and one of the study's authors.

    Azrael said the study tried to update numbers and trends that hadn’t been reviewed in two decades. Separate reports on background checks and gun storage, based on the same survey, are scheduled to be released later this year.

    “In a country where 35,000 people a year die by firearms, we haven’t been able to come out with a survey on gun violence for 20 years,” she said. “That’s a real failure of public health and public policy.”

    The Harvard/Northeastern study is important because it examines the number of guns found in respondents' home and their motivation for owning them, he said. “People’s perception of risk and need to have a gun does not correlate with their actual risk,” Webster said. “That’s the most important thing for us to understand.”

    The super owners consisted of an estimated 7.7 million Americans and owned between eight and 140 guns each. Nearly half of gun owners owned just one or two guns. Those owners merit further study to try to bring down the nation’s suicide rate, Azrael said

    More than half of all suicides in the USA – or about 21,000 a year – are committed with a firearm, according to the CDC.

    Philip Cook, a Duke University researcher and co-author of the landmark 1994 study, said Azrael's study is important in further understanding gun deaths and the forces behind them. "The very idea that something as fundamental as many how many Americans own guns is only measured once every 20 years seems surprising," he said. "But that's the world we live in."

    Azrael said she was able to tap into funding from the Fund for a Safer Future, a consortium of donors created after the 2011 shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and 18 others near Tucson, Ariz. That fund was further bolstered in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting, where a gunman shot and killed 20 elementary-aged students and seven adults before shooting himself, she said.

    The study was based on an online survey of nearly 4,000 Americans conducted in 2015 by market research company GfK, with a nationally representative panel of opt-in participants who are paid to complete surveys, she said.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Well, not much interesting data here honestly. Probably one of the reasons it's so hard to get this kind of study funded.
     
  3. Exiled

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    Another creepy part of it, the study conducted by "Azrael" which means "angle of Death" in Hebrew & Arabic
     
  4. Buck Turgidson

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    I don't know of a single person who would respond to that survey with anything other than hanging up the phone or balling it up and throwing it in the trash.

    "Types of guns owned" and "where do you live" would be questions #1 or 2 in a useful survey (blind question on the US census?). Of course the people who matter as far as crime goes wouldn't get census'ed regardless.
     
  5. StupidMoniker

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    That must be worded incorrectly. If only 25% of gun owners are white or multi-racial, 16% are Hispanic, and 14% are African American, that would leave 45% for Asian, Native American, etc. Given that they make up a tiny minority of the population, that just can't be right. I think it probably meant to say that 25% of whites and multi-racial people own guns.
     
  6. heypartner

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    So 66% of deaths by firearms are suicides? Am I reading that correctly?
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Yup, there aren't enough murders to have an impressive number, so they usually lump together murders with suicides to make it look like a bigger deal. It's like lumping robberies with people who just lost something.
     
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    Yeah, which both makes the 10 day waiting period for a gun make sense, and at the same time make no sense. If someone wants to shoot themselves, doesn't own a gun, and has to wait 10 days before being able to get a gun, it's true that a lot can happen that would end up getting them to decide not to kill themselves.

    Yet, if they already have a gun, and are buying a new gun, it makes no sense. If they want to shoot themselves, it's very doubtful they wouldn't use one of the guns they already own, and instead go out and buy a new one.
     
  9. heypartner

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    Very strange analogy you make regarding suicides. Don't be so defensive towards data about guns.

    For instance, I was thinking the other way around. 21,000 suicides is half of the total suicides (of 42k/yr). For every suicide, there are 25 attempted suicides. There likely are not too many failed suicides by firearm. With less firearms, it because very hard to commit suicide.

    As FranchiseBlade points out, people can recover fully from the depths of suicidal thoughts. Failures generally come with aid to help recover. Guns make the attempt permanent, probably many with no real warning signs.

    This gun study doesn't have to be about gun control. When 66% of deaths are suicides, this raises a completely different discussion about ways to save many innocent lives almost directly.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Not really, I'm just saying that the reason that suicides are included in the number is to artificially inflate the number and make people think that there are more gun murders than there really are. Most people wouldn't know that the majority of gun deaths are suicides.

    As to gun suicides, they are certainly more efficient and that's why the success rate for suicide attempts are MUCH higher among men who are more likely to use guns. It's also why the suicide rate is so much higher among female veterans than the overall female rate. Basically those who use guns usually succeed in killing themselves first time go, those who use other methods very often fail and have to try again.

    That said, the suicide rate in the US is actually not that high compared to countries like Japan and Switzerland that have harsher gun laws, so I don't think making guns less available will really matter in that respect. If there's a will, there's a way. .
     
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    Suicide rates in America are at 30 year highs right now and no one is talking about it. Suicide by gun is an epidemic among older white males. It is approaching the murder rate of young black males by gun.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/
     
  12. Amiga

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    I don't understand what they are trying to said. It's 25% White, 16% Hispanic, 14% Black, 25% Multi-racial. I don't think that means 20% is Asian, but I'm not sure. They also show % of ownership by age in a similarly strange way - 13%18-29, 21% 30-44, 24% 45-59, and 25% 60+. Does that mean 17% under 18?

    Anyhow, the study itself is going through peer reviews and it is to be published next year (study was done in 2015).
     
  13. Amiga

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    That was one of the concern. They didn't do phone interviews. The study is based on survey of nearly 4000 Americans who opt-in to answer questions on a variety of issues (i believe that means it's not gun focus, but with gun being part of it - iow, they likely didn't know they were answering questions for a gun study).
     
  14. Amiga

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    • Between 300,000 and 600,000 guns are stolen each year.
    That's a whole lot of gun stolen each year. My bet is if you can reduce this, you reduce crimes.
     
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    Why does the means matter? Why not just see if suicide rate correlates with gun ownership?
     
  16. Amiga

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    Because of effectiveness. Gun is a very effective tool to kill yourself. Those that survive (any method of killing yourself) can and many do fully recover and go on to live a happy life.
     

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