Chandler-Nene deal in the works?

What's the point of having Chandler for Denver? They've got Martin forever (and Camby) and Chandler isn't a center given his lack of bulk.

If they trade Nene shouldn't they get a big big guy? Or a shooting guard to replace Lenard.

 

Quite frankly this potential trade puzzels me from Denver's side. I can see why the Bulls would do it. They would trade Chandler for a "tougher" player in Nene. They need that "toughness" on the team. But why would the Nugs do it? They already have a Chandler clone in Camby. Where does Chandler fit in? And Skita is reduced to a "throw in" in this trade. Man has he been a bust or what!?

Just seems odd! To me it would make more sense for the Nugs if they tried to move Nene for someone like Joe Johnson of the Suns. The Suns need a C and Nene could be that guy and dont need Johnson because they have Q. Of course I would hate to see this happen as a Rockets fan because I feel it makes both teams better!

 

I would suspect a couple things on Denver's side:
Nene has made it clear that he won't be okay being a back up to Martin/Camby, Nene is more injured than thought, and/or Kiki thinks Chandler is better suited to play as center.

On Chicago's side: I think they are worried about Chandler's back, first and foremost. They've been higher on Chandler than Curry because of his attitude for a couple years now, so moving him raises an eyebrow, in the least.

Evan

 

Unless there is a 3rd team involved I don't see what Denver is getting out of this. Don't they need a shooter???

 

So Denver moves Nene because he is hurt and doesnt want to be a backup to pick up Chandler who also has been hurt. Does he want to be a backup?

 

I pretty much agree with you on this.

I think Chicago wants to cut and run on BOTH TC and EC, giving and getting a (yet another) new and fresh start.

(I think Curry will wind up a Grizz, and do not be surprised to see The Logo deal Miller - Howard, in some form or way.)

 

Okay - here we go .

Houston gains rebounding and shot-blocking, while exchanging a somewhat redundant player (Howard being similar to Mo T) for one that fits the weaknesses and strengths of Yao and MoT much better.

Denver trades an injured guy, a draft bust and a disgruntled backup and gets a very solid veteran PF backup that is strong offensively and has a different skillset than Kenyon Martin and Camby (more offense, less defense), with a reasonable contract. Denver also gets a replacement for the injured Voshon Lenard, a very good shooter in Eric Piatkowski. Good character guy, too.

Chicago doesn't really need Piatkowski. They have a bunch of young, good guards and small forwards who need minutes to develop (Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Nocioni). Chicago is by now tired of Chandler being injured a lot and by him teasing them with their potential. They want a somewhat tougher player in Nene. Curry and Nene could work well together. Rebounding could be a concern, but Nocioni and Deng seem to be solid rebounders, and they will have to hope that Curry will play up to his size. Tskitishvili comes off the books after this season, and because Chicago has good guards and small forwards, they can just wait until Voshon Lenard gets healthy for him to contribute some - it's not like they are losing a lot by exchanging Pike for the injured Lenard.

Let's do it .

Houston trades: PF Juwan Howard (8.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.6 apg in 20.6 minutes)
Houston receives: PF Tyson Chandler (7.1 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 23.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -1.2 ppg, +3.6 rpg, and 0.0 apg.

Denver trades: SG Voshon Lenard (13.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 24.0 minutes)
PF Nikoloz Tskitishvili (1.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.4 apg in 9.4 minutes)
Nene Hilario (No games yet played in 2004/05)
Denver receives: PF Juwan Howard (8.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.6 apg in 20.6 minutes)
SG Eric Piatkowski (7.4 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +1.1 ppg, +2.6 rpg, and +0.5 apg.

Chicago trades: PF Tyson Chandler (7.1 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 23.8 minutes)
SG Eric Piatkowski (7.4 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.3 minutes)
Chicago receives: SG Voshon Lenard (13.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 24.0 minutes)
PF Nikoloz Tskitishvili (1.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.4 apg in 9.4 minutes)
Nene Hilario (No games yet played in 2004/05)
Change in team outlook: +0.1 ppg, -6.2 rpg, and -0.5 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

 

Frontcourt of the future, eh. How's that Brand-Chandler trade looking now for Jerry?

 

That was the beginning of the end for the Bulls. Crumbs Krause was SOOO infatuated with Chandler that he gave up Brand. He wanted to have Brand and Chandler but got the 4th pick instead of 2nd and had to take Curry at 4. How good would Brand and Curry look in Chicago?

Krause got burned the year before when he didnt get Miles and had to settle for Fizer.

Funny that they finally got a good pick in Luol Deng. He is having a nice rookie season.

 

chicago is just a farm to grow young players. they have no chance at keeping them (or all of them at least) because of the salary demands of up and coming stars.

at least 3 (but prob more) of deng/nocioni/curry/chandler/gordon/hinrich/duhon will be gone when it comes time to renew the salary.

they need to trade and get some players who will provide chemistry.

i personally think they should work the team around hinrich/deng/chandler and trade the others for a solid center and role players. they are the same type of thing as the cavs a while ago with wagner/lebron/smush parker/boozer except the cavs had/have illgauskas - the bulls need someone like that - good big man with experience and position - that they can also build around. they have the young guns, but you need more than just that to win.

nene might, but probably won't, be able to be that player.

 

I always thought that Chandler's best position is at center. He's a good rebounder and garbage player, with very limited offensive game. He has zero forward offensive skills. Nene IMO will also eventually play center, especially if he moves to the east.

I don't understand why Denver would make the trade. Chandler is no better than Nene, and he's in his contract year. On the other hand, I don't understand why Chicago would move Chandler before Curry.

 

Chicago was real infatuated with signing McGrady and/or Jermaine O'Neal etc etc and got none of them. Jordan burned down the house when he left it.

Then they drafted Elton Brand, Ron Artest, and brought in Brad Miller (didn't he go undrafted?)

Now, in the wake of last week, I no longer say, The Bulls could have built around those three players and perhaps be at the top of the Leastern Conference. But what a difference. As one of you said, the Bulls are now only a farm team.

 

Its crazy now to think Chicago had those three (all stars in the East) on the same team.



I really don't think Sir Jackie Chiles' trade proposal is that bad, accept Leonard isn't tradeable right now. I think Denver would rather have Taylor or Howard for Nene. We have redundantcy at pf and so do they.

 

The only thing that Chandler does better than Nene is rebound. Nene has more upside and is somewhat more consistent.

 

I haven't seen the game but Chandler apparently outplayed Brand a week or two ago. Chandler's breakout season?

 

Chandler gets into foul trouble and is inconsistent. I should have mentioned that Chandler is a good shot blocker as well. His game does resemble Camby's like Deuce said.
I think Nene is a better scorer and is obviously stronger than Chandler. If Nene improves his rebounding he could become a good asset to Chicago if he is traded to them.

 

Kiki Vandeweghe came out and said that the trade rumor was just that...a rumor.

The Bulls are 0-9 now and can easily go winless in the entire month of November.

I don't think that they would be any good today even if they kept Brand, Artest, and Brad Miller. They had their worst record in franchise history with thoese three as their core. Those players would have never turned out to be the players that they are now had they stayed in Chi-town (IMO Miller and Artest really broke out after they were traded to Indiana). This Bulls team is just cursed. Everyone does better after he leaves Chicago. Crawford is playing much more under control now in NY. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he has his best season this year.